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DysonSphere
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Greylorn, I love your post. It makes me almost want to believe that God exists again.
I have to ask, though, that if one strays from traditional theism too far, how meaningful is it to use the word “God” (as opposed to, say, “nature”) to describe this aspect of your belief?
I’d also recommend, if you haven’t yet, listening to Freeman Dyson’s statements about God in “Closer to Truth”. You can find the videos online.
I have to ask, though, that if one strays from traditional theism too far, how meaningful is it to use the word “God” (as opposed to, say, “nature”) to describe this aspect of your belief?
I’d also recommend, if you haven’t yet, listening to Freeman Dyson’s statements about God in “Closer to Truth”. You can find the videos online.
At one level I agree with you completely. As a child, I marveled at the little bit of universe I was able to see. As knowledge and understanding increased with formal education, study, conversations and time, my childhood belief in creation has changed into a near certainty that we live in a created universe However, there are some problems…
There is a difference between God and the creator. The two are not necessarily the same entity, in this sense: All your arguments, encompassing the gamut of ideas from esoteric Aquinian logic to a simple love of nature’s beauty, prove in your minds as well as in mine that we live in a created universe. Yet…
Not one of those arguments addresses proof of any specifically defined creator.
Put another way, Who is the God whose existence you’ve proven? What are His properties?
For example, I happen to believe in an entity Who has many of the properties of the Christian God, without Whom you and I would not exist as conscious entities. But I do not believe that the awesome entity in Whom I believe is either omnipotent or omniscient. I trust in His excellent sense and allow Him the option which existence inadvertently grants to all conscious beings, which is to grow and learn and make mistakes.
I do not believe that God has always existed, at least not in the same sense that religions believe this.
More relevant to human-level beliefs, I would never blame God for the creation of the great mass of silly nitwits comprising the human race. Even the secondary-level creators can only be blamed for the construction of human bodies. The human soul is not created. There is no way that an entity or group thereof capable of creating this awesome universe would have deliberately created that sorry, poorly defined, piece of work we call the “soul.”
These brief reviews of my God-concept are seriously different from yours, and from all posters on CAF, but are still within the purview of the general proofs offered on this thread.
My point is that these proofs favor the belief that we live in a created universe, but do not necessarily support beliefs in any specific kind or style of creator.
You’ve proven, mostly to your own satisfaction (just like Darwinists do with their evolution theories— prove to their own satisfaction) that God exists. But you’ve neglected to prove that the particular god in whom you’ve chosen to believe is the creator of the universe, and you’ve made no case whatsoever for your own creation.