What is your favorite proof for God?

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“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:31

It is so true
 
Shroud of Turin is a great proof. One of the cool things is the bruise under the one eye, it just makes the Shroud feel really real!
 
ProveIt312 said:
Ah, but you’re mistaken; I’m absolutely open to any evidence that could support the god hypothesis; and yes, it IS a hypothesis, as it has yet to be sufficiently supported by evidence and most descriptions of god claim he’s not testable, therefore not falsifiable, and therefore no different that a magical invisible pink unicorn…
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You’re making an unreasonable demand about the standard of proof necessary for God. I doubt that you demand that same standard in the case of any other person.
ProveIt312 said:
Getting back on point, there are things that would make me reconsider the existence of a personal god. Appearing to humanity should be an easy one…
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Jesus of Nazareth
 
Ah, I see that our friends greylorn and ProveIt312 have all the right answers. Why don’t we all just give in and admit that without tangible scientific proof, a reasonable person must conclude that God does not exist. We must all be full of “mental mush” as greylorn so eloquently put it. I have a wonderful idea that I’m sure greylorn and ProveIt312 will be unable to resist. My offer and suggestion is to connect you to my brother, who earned his doctorate in high energy physics from Cal Tech. Perhaps the three of you can sit down, cull through all your math, chemistry and physics books and ultimately come up with a mathematical formula for God which you will then, no doubt, be able to recreate in a laboratory setting. Maybe then you will finally satisfy your own demands concerning proof. In the meantime, I’m quite content, thank you, to be completely fulfilled with my own version of “mental mush.”
 
Cristian_B said:
Prophecy, because it’s accuracy is incredible.
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That is exactly what I said. People are reading, but not studying their Bibles. It really is incredible. It gives answers to everything you need to know.
 
dontknow said:
Getting the thread back on track…

I have many favorites, a few of them are…
  • Seeing my beautiful daughter each and every day
  • Seeing my beautiful wife each and every day
  • Seeing the Grand Canyon
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and if you were blind, deaf and mute?
 
Cristian_B said:
Prophecy, because it’s accuracy is incredible.
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The list of unfulfilled and just plain wrong Biblical prophecies are many.

You do realize that there’s a reason why the Catholic Church doesn’t subscribe to literal translation?
 
Zatzat said:
The list of unfulfilled and just plain wrong Biblical prophecies are many.
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Care to give some examples?
Zatzat said:
You do realize that there’s a reason why the Catholic Church doesn’t subscribe to literal translation?
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You mean ‘interpretation’? I’m not Catholic, by the way. Also, there are things in which Catholics go very literal about, so just saying they don’t subscribe to literal interpretation is a little hypocritical to me. Some Protestant interpret literally as well, but you said the Catholic Church doesn’t, which I believe is a false statement.
 
Cristian_B said:
Care to give some examples?
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Here’s one…

Jer 9:11 - never happened.
I will turn Jerusalem into a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals; The cities of Judah I will make into a waste, where no one dwells.
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For the rest…they are categorized and easily found throughout the web. Google is your friend.
 
Hey, Zatzat, don’t be sad for me. My comment about “mental mush” was tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps I should have explicitly said so. As far as literal translation of Scripture is concerned, I’d like to make a comment or two here about that. I attend a Bible class which is taught by a Catholic, but Christians of many denominations attend. The Bible teacher is one of the most knowledgeable I’ve ever heard. He obtained his degrees from world renowned institutions and, in fact, lived with Rabbis in Israel for a couple years, so his experience is quite extensive. The way he explains how the Bible should be read is not necessarily literally, rather literarily. The difference is significant. Literal, of course, means that every word means just what it says, period. Literarily, however, suggest that there is room for interpretation. For example, he explains that the first few chapters of Genesis should be thought of in terms of “wavy line history;” that is, a day is not necessarily twenty-four hours, etc. (The balance of Genesis is in real time.) Likewise, when Scripture speaks of the cattle on 1,000 hills, it does not literally mean 1,000, only figuratively. There are lots more examples, but I hope you get the gist. Similarly, parables are not stories to be taken in a literal manner, but are metaphors that teach us valuable lessons in life.
 
Ancient_Magicks said:
Aquinas’ first proof is disproved by the simple concept of negative infinity. We use it in mathematics all the time, in the case of negative infinity, there need no be a first mover, particles of any description could have always existed.
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How can there be negative infinity without infinity?

While supposedly there is no “proof” God exists, there is DEFINITELY NO PROOF that God DOESN’T exist !!!
 
I am not sure right now; maybe the Thomistic design(is that what it is called?).
 
Zatzat said:
Here’s one…

Jer 9:11 - never happened.

For the rest…they are categorized and easily found throughout the web. Google is your friend.
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It wasn’t a prophecy, it was a threat.

“I’m gonna destroy you” can be a threat but it doesn’t mean you will unless truly provoked.

But… just because it hasn’t happened yet (if it really hasn’t) it doesn’t mean it won’t…
 
Zatzat said:
The list of unfulfilled and just plain wrong Biblical prophecies are many.

You do realize that there’s a reason why the Catholic Church doesn’t subscribe to literal translation?
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Not only is that incorrect but incomplete.

Scripture has SEVERAL levels of interpretation – all of which must be considered, many of which equally valid !
 
usemelord said:
Hey, Zatzat, don’t be sad for me. My comment about “mental mush” was tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps I should have explicitly said so. As far as literal translation of Scripture is concerned, I’d like to make a comment or two here about that. I attend a Bible class which is taught by a Catholic, but Christians of many denominations attend. The Bible teacher is one of the most knowledgeable I’ve ever heard. He obtained his degrees from world renowned institutions and, in fact, lived with Rabbis in Israel for a couple years, so his experience is quite extensive. The way he explains how the Bible should be read is not necessarily literally, rather literarily. The difference is significant. Literal, of course, means that every word means just what it says, period. Literarily, however, suggest that there is room for interpretation. For example, he explains that the first few chapters of Genesis should be thought of in terms of “wavy line history;” that is, a day is not necessarily twenty-four hours, etc. (The balance of Genesis is in real time.) Likewise, when Scripture speaks of the cattle on 1,000 hills, it does not literally mean 1,000, only figuratively. There are lots more examples, but I hope you get the gist. Similarly, parables are not stories to be taken in a literal manner, but are metaphors that teach us valuable lessons in life.
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Thanks for the reply.

I say that it’s a shame that the creator of the universe, upon having his one and only Holy book written…that God would have assured that there’d be no room for ambiguity or confusion in the completed work.
 
Bastoune said:
It wasn’t a prophecy, it was a threat.

“I’m gonna destroy you” can be a threat but it doesn’t mean you will unless truly provoked.

But… just because it hasn’t happened yet (if it really hasn’t) it doesn’t mean it won’t…
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God didn’t carry through on his threat to destroy that place. 😦 God may very well destroy that city and destroy it good…4000 years over due and counting!
 
No disrespect, Zat Zat, but you seem to think that you are God… You know how He should have written his Bible and you know when He should destroy things . Maybe you just want us to worship you?
 
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