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Elizium23
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Louie1983
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Umm, by what he has revealed to us through sacred scripture and sacred tradition perhaps?
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esieffe
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Many leave the Church and never come back. Many go and after a long “winter” come back. My guess is that Ireland will have a long winter, their 40 years in the desert if you will, and then come back.
It’s sad really, they got to experience some of the, well I don’t know what to even call it, false evil elements claiming to be a part of the Catholic Church. The Laundries and fallen priests.
Ireland will have to work through the effects of all of this, forgive, heal, and return to God’s church. I know the heavy weight of sin, and I know what it is to turn back and embrace the church and our Lord once again.
The Irish will have to do the same. May God watch over all of Ireland and the Irish.
HE awaits their return, just as he awaits our return.
It’s sad really, they got to experience some of the, well I don’t know what to even call it, false evil elements claiming to be a part of the Catholic Church. The Laundries and fallen priests.
Ireland will have to work through the effects of all of this, forgive, heal, and return to God’s church. I know the heavy weight of sin, and I know what it is to turn back and embrace the church and our Lord once again.
The Irish will have to do the same. May God watch over all of Ireland and the Irish.
HE awaits their return, just as he awaits our return.
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johnnyc176
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This is nothing new…
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7_Sorrows
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Yes the Catholic Church in Ireland has been weathering fallout from scandals and I think many have lost confidence in their faith.
I am still amazed at the numbers that voted for SSM and this is an issue that has really been promoted the last 10-15 years and I don’t know how our own Supreme Court is going to vote in June. So many protestant churches have caved in here in America so there could be no turning back. I hope the Catholic Church will stand behind its teachings. Praying for the Catholic Church worldwide.
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bigblu
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If this is so true, why hasn’t God wiped the Netherlamds off the map? Same sex marriage has been legal there since 2001.
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Rosebud77
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My jaw has dropped more with every post on this thread… maybe look up diocesan audits child abuse and read how extensive the abuse was here and some recent. There can hardly be a family unaffected. There has been a falling away and yes priests dare not wear their collars in some areas. The trust has gone. What we need always to remember from this i that it is what we do in life rather than what re profess…i BUT keep your eyes also on the 40% who said NO… I am privileged to know families in rural areas like the one I live in who are strong in faith and who have faced the reality. Turn to Jesus within the Church, I also know some who use the Church to gather " respectability" while living very questionable lives … We are in the Church reaping the bitter harvest of sin. God is not mocked; the orders and the priesthood are dying. Mass attendance figures can be misleading. When I was new here and a little late for mass in a remote church I was deeply impressed that it was apprently crowded and the porch filled with old men. Who were chatting and even eating . When ti came time for communion, they exited and I had to fight my way through to the body of the church… to find the front half dozen pews empty. MY landlady explained… mammy had impressed on her kid that YOU GO TO MASS. She had been in the churchyard many many years but still they go to mass… same todayl I see teenager at the back playing games on their smartphones… just there because they were forced to be. Women chatting away too, Things are not as they seem.
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Rosebud77
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But these things WERE part of the Church here, They ran all the schools, hospitals, industrial schools, laundries etc. They had far too much power over physical lives. Deliberate policy after the Famine, led by Paul Cardinal Cullen. an they still refuse to face that huge burden of sin and crime and yes it was crime. There is no real penitence, only anger that they were found out. The orders are billionaires are still refusing to pay the compensation they were ordered to by the govt. The miracle is that so many voted NO…
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brian_custer
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ireland is not a catholic nation any more
ever since the fraud “celtic tiger” was exposed and they ran out of energy fighting the orange the irish republic has blamed the catholic church for their downfall
ireland is bankrupt financially and morally beyond all repair
may the irish reap what they have sown
and i have sympathy and compassion but i fear the irish republic has forsaken their true catholic faith
Our Lady of Knock, pray for the Irish Republic
ever since the fraud “celtic tiger” was exposed and they ran out of energy fighting the orange the irish republic has blamed the catholic church for their downfall
ireland is bankrupt financially and morally beyond all repair
may the irish reap what they have sown
and i have sympathy and compassion but i fear the irish republic has forsaken their true catholic faith
Our Lady of Knock, pray for the Irish Republic
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Rosebud77
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re fallout. I used to go to Mass at a friary here. I had known the order many years and trusted them. then the audit came to their turn. I was sickened. men I had trusted spiritually. thought they were good men. So now I do not go there again and the anger in me is hard to bear. the betrayal…and I am a reasoning and intelligent and faith filled person. How much harder for many. Watching mass on TV, all the grey and white heads going up for communion… The way ahead is hard to see. Priests are dashing round trying to keep Mass going … One thing that would help here is letting coloured and Asian priests come. But Ireland is so nationalistic. Then I see my landlords wee kids, being taught well and carefully and by example… He is uneducated and barely literate but a deep faith and morality.
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friardchips
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Well, it’s quite easy really:
First, Our Holy Creator made Creation - that which is good, that which produces life and is life-giving, not death-giving and life-taking.
He is not interested in self-gratification, in the physical act also, as the conjugal act between man and woman is supposed to be holy and life-giving (producing).
Since when does the act of you-know-what produce children?
St. Paul, in Scripture, is quite explicit in his teaching.
Not sure we do, although there have been signs. However, we “are not to know times and seasons”, so better to concentrate on doing good, life-giving things.
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paulrxp
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I’m going to have to agree with a previous post from another member. This event isn’t just about Ireland, this is a reflection of Westernized culture. It will probably happen across Europe then here in the Americas. Rich, wealthy industrialized nations that flourished from the moral virtues established by Christianity lose their faith when they believe the wealth from the material world can replace the true gifts of the Spirit.
The belief today is that equality=freedom. The homosexual lobby and the feminist movement have done a brilliant job marketing this to the unsuspecting indifferent populace. The irony is that this perceived freedom almost always removes morality to justify its means… Much of this is rooted in cultural Marxism which will oppose everything moral Christendom has built. Those who lose the faith will almost always succumb to some type of cultural Marxism. Whether it’s feminism, atheism or full acceptance of homosexual acts. There are no moral boundaries in this type of ideology and it’s for that reason that it will almost always oppose God and His Natural Law. There are great encyclicals from Pope Leo and Pope Pius XI(Divini Redemptoris in particular) Reading them, you would think they could see into the future, and we see much of what they wrote about today.
The belief today is that equality=freedom. The homosexual lobby and the feminist movement have done a brilliant job marketing this to the unsuspecting indifferent populace. The irony is that this perceived freedom almost always removes morality to justify its means… Much of this is rooted in cultural Marxism which will oppose everything moral Christendom has built. Those who lose the faith will almost always succumb to some type of cultural Marxism. Whether it’s feminism, atheism or full acceptance of homosexual acts. There are no moral boundaries in this type of ideology and it’s for that reason that it will almost always oppose God and His Natural Law. There are great encyclicals from Pope Leo and Pope Pius XI(Divini Redemptoris in particular) Reading them, you would think they could see into the future, and we see much of what they wrote about today.
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friardchips
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The reason these lobbies and movements started was because of iron-willed, uncompromising, male chauvanism. This pushed womankind into feminism and feminism into extremism which then equalled the unrelenting dictatorial nature of mankind whom feminists set out to oppose. Women, children and the vulnerable were pushed into a very far-distant last place. Always have been. Unfortunately, the less strong and especially non-Christians were then susceptible to the cultural extremism which fits snugly into the barbed-wire cage of Marxism and its militantly atheistic agendas. The media is reliant on shock news and fashionable ideas in order to maintain popularity and viewing figures, and so this, not so new, “death culture”, is an obvious bandwagon to jump on, mainly because many of the media are not Christians, or at least practicing ones. It must be hard to work for a corporate machine and not get chewed up in it at the same time.
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friardchips
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Worry not.
Remember Abraham asking our Creator if there was one good man left to not destroy Gomorrah; well, there are good people there, in Ireland, I imagine, mixed in amongst all the confusion!
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Nic1099
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I am very disappointed with the referendum result on ‘same sex marriage’ in my country. Where is the faith in Ireland? However, I do not believe that we can apportion all blame to the secular agenda. We must as Christians look to ourselves.
For many years, gay and lesbian people were villified and treated as outcasts. This was and is completely unacceptable and extremely un-Christian. The abuse scandals have destroyed the credibility and moral authority of the Catholic Church in Ireland and elsewhere. This was absolutely and totally self-inflicted. I also believe that a large proportion but not the majority of the vote in favour was in response to and a kick -back at these past abuses and to how disgracefully our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters were treated and made outcasts in our society.
However, it is now time for the Catholic Church to effectively deal with the abuse scandals by paying the full compensation due to victims. It is also time for the Church to stop ‘licking it’s wounds’ and almost apologising for the faith. The main opposition to the ‘same -sex marriage’ referendum was mainly from to the group ‘Mothers and Father’s Matter’ and the Iona Institute. The hierarchy was not as vocal as it should have been in defence of marriage.
Why did I not hear of more opposition at Mass?? Why were many clergy publicly supporting ‘same sex marriage’ allowed to do so? What is happening in the Church worldwide, where Church teaching within the Church seems to be in the process of being systematically dismantled bit by bit?
It seems now that if you adhere to Church teaching, that you are now a ‘heretic’ and dissenter. I worry for the future of the Church in Ireland and the general path we seem to be taking but will continue to pray and stay steadfast in the faith.
For many years, gay and lesbian people were villified and treated as outcasts. This was and is completely unacceptable and extremely un-Christian. The abuse scandals have destroyed the credibility and moral authority of the Catholic Church in Ireland and elsewhere. This was absolutely and totally self-inflicted. I also believe that a large proportion but not the majority of the vote in favour was in response to and a kick -back at these past abuses and to how disgracefully our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters were treated and made outcasts in our society.
However, it is now time for the Catholic Church to effectively deal with the abuse scandals by paying the full compensation due to victims. It is also time for the Church to stop ‘licking it’s wounds’ and almost apologising for the faith. The main opposition to the ‘same -sex marriage’ referendum was mainly from to the group ‘Mothers and Father’s Matter’ and the Iona Institute. The hierarchy was not as vocal as it should have been in defence of marriage.
Why did I not hear of more opposition at Mass?? Why were many clergy publicly supporting ‘same sex marriage’ allowed to do so? What is happening in the Church worldwide, where Church teaching within the Church seems to be in the process of being systematically dismantled bit by bit?
It seems now that if you adhere to Church teaching, that you are now a ‘heretic’ and dissenter. I worry for the future of the Church in Ireland and the general path we seem to be taking but will continue to pray and stay steadfast in the faith.
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kozlosap
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Could it be that Catholics in Ireland, both Religeous and lay, were voting their well-formed consciences? 
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friardchips
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Consciences - possibly; well-formed - not really; well informed - here lies the problem.Could it be that Catholics in Ireland, both Religeous and lay, were voting their well-formed consciences?
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Rosebud77
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Sounds like despair brother… Remember that nearly 40% voted against same sex marriage. …no moral bankruptcy there Sadly we are reaping what others sowed who were supposed to know better.
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Rosebud77
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well said my brother in Ireland… Parishioners in one church walked out when the priest urged them to vite NO… as you say they have lost all authority
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