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Nimzovik
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Able? Perhaps…But *would *he have done so? Heh he heh …
What REALLY happened in the Garden! Women the weaker of the two sexes? (All in fun)
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MichaelHowling
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Silent:
I’ll say it again… EVE was culpible… I am not saying she did not sin! … WHAT I AND THE CHURCH ARE SAYING: Is that it’s Adams fault.
When easter comes around this time and they sing the beautiful ancient hymn in the darkness of your church… I want you to pay attention to the words: “Oh happy fault of ADAM…who bought for us so great a redeemer”
His wife would have not been attacked if Adam took his job seriously and “DEFENDED THE GARDEN”.
both in Scripture and Tradition when this sin is referred to formally by name it is called the “Sin of Adam” or “Adam’s Sin.” It is also described as coming to us “through one man” not “through Adam and Eve” or “through a man and a woman.” Consider the following quotes from Scripture and then from the Catechism:
1.Like Adam, they [Israel] have broken the covenant— they were unfaithful to me there. (Hosea 6:7)
2.Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man….death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam…. (Rom 5:12, 14)
3.For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (1 Cor 15:22)
4.All men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as St. Paul affirms: “By one man’s disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners”: “sin came into the world through one man…. (CCC # 402)
5.Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam’s sin….(CCC # 403)
6.How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. (CCC # 404)
when God was looking for them in the Garden after they had sinned he did not say “Adam and Eve where are you?” He said, Adam, where are you? (Gen 3:9) It is Adam who must render an account.
I’ll say it again… EVE was culpible… I am not saying she did not sin! … WHAT I AND THE CHURCH ARE SAYING: Is that it’s Adams fault.
When easter comes around this time and they sing the beautiful ancient hymn in the darkness of your church… I want you to pay attention to the words: “Oh happy fault of ADAM…who bought for us so great a redeemer”
His wife would have not been attacked if Adam took his job seriously and “DEFENDED THE GARDEN”.
both in Scripture and Tradition when this sin is referred to formally by name it is called the “Sin of Adam” or “Adam’s Sin.” It is also described as coming to us “through one man” not “through Adam and Eve” or “through a man and a woman.” Consider the following quotes from Scripture and then from the Catechism:
1.Like Adam, they [Israel] have broken the covenant— they were unfaithful to me there. (Hosea 6:7)
2.Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man….death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam…. (Rom 5:12, 14)
3.For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (1 Cor 15:22)
4.All men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as St. Paul affirms: “By one man’s disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners”: “sin came into the world through one man…. (CCC # 402)
5.Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam’s sin….(CCC # 403)
6.How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. (CCC # 404)
when God was looking for them in the Garden after they had sinned he did not say “Adam and Eve where are you?” He said, Adam, where are you? (Gen 3:9) It is Adam who must render an account.
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Lady_Love
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Jesus is God, He was not created, for he existed before creation. Mary on the other hand was created and she is the most perfect of all of God’s creation.
It’s not vain, it’s just true.
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grannymh
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Pardon me. What is the Catholic whole thing in your comment "That does not excuse Adam’s sin but blaming him for the whole thing is not Church teaching either!!! "
as to which Christian church is being talked about in this thread, for example, the idea that Eve represents humanity. Sounds a bit like BioLogos.
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silentfactor80
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No one is responsible for the sin of another!!! That is the equivalent of saying “he made me do it.” You are just continuing the blame game! You are totally misinterpreting the quotes above. Adam’s sin was PRIDE!!! Like Eve, he disobeyed God in PRIDE!!!
Of coarse Adam is held accountable. He was the older child!! No one asks the younger kid to take responsibility. The older gets blasted by default.
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This is getting good!Mary_Gail_36
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Adding to your post:
Adam and Eve did not have original sin. For them to be tempted, it needed to be an external temptation.
Satan, knew that Jesus would be born as a human and the he as an angel would be beneath Him and have to serve Him. That’s where the phrase “Non Serviam” originates. Satan full of pride, tried to corrupt humanity…thinking he would prevent Jesus’ being human. The evil one’s goal is to compromise our salvation. So I doubt that he would have not attacked humanity, Adam alone, or Adam with Eve.
If Adam never had Eve, Satan would have attacked any way because Adam was human. Because Adam was human, he still would have fallenfor the temptation of the devil.
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silentfactor80
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The whole thing is the fall of man.Pardon me. What is the Catholic whole thing in your comment "That does not excuse Adam’s sin but blaming him for the whole thing is not Church teaching either!!! "
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MichaelHowling
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It’s not because he was …older. It was his sex.
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MichaelHowling
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t was his sex, his place in the relationship as husband
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silentfactor80
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Jesus was not called Jesus before being born into this world. He was called the “Word of God” or “Son of God.”Jesus is God, He was not created, for he existed before creation. Mary on the other hand was created and she is the most perfect of all of God’s creation.
The question here is what kind of beauty are you referring to. Spiritual beauty or physical beauty? Spiritually speaking yes Mary was quite beautiful but most women have more in common with Eve after the fall than they do with Mary. Also, I highly doubt God did everything He did JUST for Mary. It is more like he did it equally for all of us. I think you are ascribing a vain beauty to women in hopes of getting something for it.
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Of course, the most perfect creature is Mary. Jesus was not created,Jesus is God, He was not created, for he existed before creation. Mary on the other hand was created and she is the most perfect of all of God’s creation.
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in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the OnlyBegotten Son of God,
bornof the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
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Lady_Love
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God is beautiful, is He vain?
I’m sure Mary was physically beautiful and spiritually. She had the whole package, which makes her just plain beautiful.
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silentfactor80
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I am not calling Mary vain, rather your previous post on women in general. I’m pretty sure Mary did not go around with the attitude “look how beautiful I am worship me.” Many women these days, that’s another story.
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Nimzovik
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Hmmmmmmmmm… Maybe Adam and Eve sinned because they did not have Belly Buttons?
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silentfactor80
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I think ya’ll are cherry picking what suits your causes instead of looking at the WHOLE picture, especially my friend Michael_Howling up there.
God gave Adam charge over Eden but the word Adam in ancient Hebrew simply meant man. It would do you well to read Theology of the Body and learn what JPII said about Genesis. If God thought Adam could take care of creation alone He wouldn’t have bothered with Eve. Adam retained his job at Eve’s creation but God gave him the authority to delegate to Eve. In order for Adam to delegate however Eve has to submit to that authority as the Church has to submit to Christ. It is not a 1-way street. A woman’s glory is not her own as a woman reflects the glory of man. (1 Corinthians 11:7) Men reflect the glory of God hence we are given headship. I’d like to see how well a man can do his job with a rebellious and otherwise prideful wife…
Perhaps that is why God didn’t give Jesus a human wife…it didn’t work out so well the last time!
God gave Adam charge over Eden but the word Adam in ancient Hebrew simply meant man. It would do you well to read Theology of the Body and learn what JPII said about Genesis. If God thought Adam could take care of creation alone He wouldn’t have bothered with Eve. Adam retained his job at Eve’s creation but God gave him the authority to delegate to Eve. In order for Adam to delegate however Eve has to submit to that authority as the Church has to submit to Christ. It is not a 1-way street. A woman’s glory is not her own as a woman reflects the glory of man. (1 Corinthians 11:7) Men reflect the glory of God hence we are given headship. I’d like to see how well a man can do his job with a rebellious and otherwise prideful wife…
Perhaps that is why God didn’t give Jesus a human wife…it didn’t work out so well the last time!
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grannymh
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But there are hundreds of Christian descriptions for the fall of man. Seriously, I am finding out that many Catholics do not know how to properly describe the “fall of man”
according to Catholicism. Note: Saying that Adam was responsible for Original Sin is barely a drop in the bucket.
This is suppose to be an “All in fun” thread. I am going to leave it at that.
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silentfactor80
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Educate us then please! I am totally open to hearing it. PM me if you don’t want to do it here.But there are hundreds of Christian descriptions for the fall of man. Seriously, I am finding out that many Catholics do not know how to properly describe the “fall of man”
according to Catholicism. Note: Saying that Adam was responsible for Original Sin is barely a drop in the bucket.
This is suppose to be an “All in fun” thread. I am going to leave it at that.
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MichaelHowling
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silent your mistake you are making is still neglecting to accept the fact that ADAM HAD A SPOT TO PLAY AS WELL!
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