What REALLY happened in the Garden! Women the weaker of the two sexes? (All in fun)

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MichaelHowling said:
silent your mistake you are making is still neglecting to accept the fact that ADAM HAD A SPOT TO PLAY AS WELL!
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Now you are putting words into my typing! I never said Adam wasn’t responsible nor did I say he didn’t have to protect Eve. I said you cannot attribute the fall of man SOLELY to Adam. Eve also had a responsibility to think about how her actions could hurt her husband! He protects her but she has responsibility to him too! They both failed in their responsibility to each other and God. As a result we sit here discussing it…😛
 
Its a love story. The goal is paradise, two different views on how to achieve it
 
silentfactor80 said:
Educate us then please! I am totally open to hearing it. PM me if you don’t want to do it here.
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The basic description of Original Sin is in post 32 above
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10388471&postcount=32

Post 32 ends with the disobedience of Adam. From here one studies the effects of Original Sin and the reason for the Salvific Mission of Jesus Christ. At the bottom of this post there is a Note: The above is based on the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraphs 355-421. This is not a page-turner.

The reality of Original Sin is directly connected to the original inhabitants in the “Garden”. Those lovable parents, biblically known as Adam and Eve, have been under attack for decades. Yet, in order for the contracted state of Original Sin to be transmitted to us, there had to be both a father and a mother regardless of who pulled the weeds.

The defense of Adam and Eve’s existence is in the thread “Should Catholic apologists teach the reality of Adam & Eve?” in the Apologetics Forum.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=721102

Questions about the garden and what Adam and Eve did there belong to the topic. You are welcome to bring up the topic of Original Sin on this thread. I am the OP.
People coming on to the thread should definitely check the sticky notes at the top of the Apologetics Forum.
 
silent…who is saying orignial sin is SOLEY and completely his fault ?

It was Adams responsibility to guard the garden.

I can’t believe I have to keep repeating this.
 
when God was looking for them in the Garden after they had sinned he did not say “Adam and Eve where are you?” He said, Adam, where are you? (Gen 3:9) It is Adam who must render an account.
 
MichaelHowling said:
silent…who is saying orignial sin is SOLEY and completely his fault ?

It was Adams responsibility to guard the garden.

I can’t believe I have to keep repeating this.
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And what exactly are you chalking up to Eve? You went on several diatribes about Adam’s shortcomings yet I do not recall a single one of Eve’s. You even went as far to say Eve’s sin was because of Adam’s!!! No one makes another sin! That is ridiculous! She sinned b/c she was full of herself and him the same. End of story! :eek:
 
MichaelHowling said:
when God was looking for them in the Garden after they had sinned he did not say “Adam and Eve where are you?” He said, Adam, where are you? (Gen 3:9) It is Adam who must render an account.
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Maybe Adam was God’s favorite and Adam spoke God’s language better?
 
MichaelHowling said:
silent…who is saying orignial sin is SOLEY and completely his fault ?

It was Adams responsibility to guard the garden.

I can’t believe I have to keep repeating this.
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MichaelHowling said:
when God was looking for them in the Garden after they had sinned he did not say “Adam and Eve where are you?” He said, Adam, where are you? (Gen 3:9) It is Adam who must render an account.
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Michael, I understand your point of view, but you really are not listening in this conversation, and I’m sorry to say you are wrong to say that only Adam was culpable.

Both Adam and Eve shared a degree of culpability. We can have a discussion about whether one had more than the other, but you cannot deny they were both culpable to a degree.
 
dshix said:
Michael, I understand your point of view, but you really are not listening in this conversation, and I’m sorry to say you are wrong to say that only Adam was culpable.

Both Adam and Eve shared a degree of culpability. We can have a discussion about whether one had more than the other, but you cannot deny they were both culpable to a degree.
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What he said!! And Michael what exactly do you make of Eve’s status as helper? She wasn’t some poor little weak girl that couldn’t count on God for defense IF SHE ASKED! Her status as helper did not mean she just has the babies while Adam bashes snakes all day.
 
*If been following this intriguing
thread and had a thought that I figired I might as well thorw out there …

could one say metaphorically speaking that the Earth is Eve and Mankind is Adam?*
 
simple_soul said:
*If been following this intriguing
thread and had a thought that I figired I might as well thorw out there …

could one say metaphorically speaking that the Earth is Eve and Mankind is Adam?*
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Metaphorically you could say that, but I think that leads rather quickly to wicca, Mother Gaia, and all that (four letter word for excrement).
 
dshix said:
Metaphorically you could say that, but I think that leads rather quickly to wicca, Mother Gaia, and all that (four letter word for excrement).
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Don’t know anything about Wicca other than they use a lot of remedies that usually come from roots and things that are found in nature naturally so maybe there is some Truth in Wicca. I guess I will just leave it as a very mislabel layered story of creation as it seems all of the Bible stories are…
 
simple_soul said:
*If been following this intriguing
thread and had a thought that I figired I might as well thorw out there …

could one say metaphorically speaking that the Earth is Eve and Mankind is Adam?*
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Not really IMO. Adam and Eve are the male and female of humanity. The spiritual is the male of the cosmos while the physical is the female. It’s about giving (male) and receiving (female). A union. Mankind gives nothing to the Earth, rather we receive from it.
 
simple_soul said:
Don’t know anything about Wicca other than they use a lot of remedies that usually come from roots and things that are found in nature naturally so maybe there is some Truth in Wicca. I guess I will just leave it as a very mislabel layered story of creation as it seems all of the Bible stories are…
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Almost every religion has one or another element of truth. However, they all have grave errors which lead them in the wrong direction, except the Catholic Church.
 
silentfactor80 said:
Not really IMO. Adam and Eve are the male and female of humanity. The spiritual is the male of the cosmos while the physical is the female. It’s about giving (male) and receiving (female). A union. Mankind gives nothing to the Earth, rather we receive from it.
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ok thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ute/insight I will have to dwell on this some more.
 
silentfactor80 said:
Not really IMO. Adam and Eve are the male and female of humanity. The spiritual is the male of the cosmos while the physical is the female. It’s about giving (male) and receiving (female). A union. Mankind gives nothing to the Earth, rather we receive from it.
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Adam and Eve’s (name removed by moderator)ut – All in Fun! :rotfl:
 
simple_soul said:
Don’t know anything about Wicca other than they use a lot of remedies that usually come from roots and things that are found in nature naturally so maybe there is some Truth in Wicca. I guess I will just leave it as a very multiple layered story of creation as it seems all of the Bible stories are…
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Sorry for the double post. I misspelled “multiple.”
 
silentfactor80 said:
Not really IMO. Adam and Eve are the male and female of humanity. The spiritual is the male of the cosmos while the physical is the female. It’s about giving (male) and receiving (female). A union. Mankind gives nothing to the Earth, rather we receive from it.
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*Hi Silent…I was dwelling on this some more and I wonder if I could run a couple of thoughts by you…

If the Earth was given to Mankind to subdue it are we not caring for it and in our caring for it we are giving it something from us…

The other thought that came to mind is the saying that “from the dust you came and to the dust you shall return” is it referring to our bodies and in our bodies returning to dust, the earth, we are giving to the Earth?

Just some rambling questions that your remark about how we give nothing to the Earth has made me wonder about.*
 
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