What Role Do Catholics Play in Combatting Rape Culture?

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Norseman82 said:
. Celibacy should never be involuntary (for people eligible to marry); in fact, St. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7 that in order to avoid immorality, people should have spouses. As far as sexually frustrated men getting violent, it’s not something to take lightly;
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Sexual frustration is not an excuse for violence. Full stop.

Frankly, holding the opinion that you (a general you, not personal) are entitled to the body and love of a fellow human is a very dangerous step into thinking of others as less valuable. Just because St. Paul said something that is true in principle, doesn’t mean a man has a right to a sweet little wife if no woman will have him.

It may be that some men are involuntarily celibate because they are just not marriable in the eyes of sane women, simply because of that sense of entitlement.
Mae West’s ten-foot pole quip comes to mind.
 
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Rozellelily said:
would not want to have sex with anyone who said to me matter of factly “so,do you definitely want to have sex with me” “I need to get a clear yes before we proceed” “ok,now just to clarify,please give me an enthusiastic yes” etc
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Ideally, the person wouldn’t ask? You are the one asserting your consent. Posters on other threads havevsaud there are a lot of ways enthusiastic consent is typically given with their spouses so it need not be robotic.
 
Except for rape and non-consensual activity has actually existed since the beginning of the creation of humans. St. Maria Goretti would qualify for the #meetoo movement, and she died in 1902 which was prior to the sexual revolution. So rather than blaming the sexual revolution, why not blame sexual sin and selfishness/lack of restraint/abuse of power or something along those lines.
 
I’m writing from Australia so I’m referring to “enthusiastic yes” concept which is possibly different from the “affirmative consent” concept which is talked about amongst Americans.

I haven’t read the other threads about it,so I don’t which “affirmative ways” you have mentioned but if they are non verbal then I’m assuming that they would still not go far enough in what is being proposed (change to consent law Aus).

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/hi...x/news-story/6e1aec72df2e1ed2273778c0b136b017
 
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@honey

I’m not sure why you addressed this to my post as this wasn’t written by me.
I think it’s a mistake😀?
 
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blackforest said:
So what role do we play as Roman Catholics in stopping rape culture?
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I don’t really think “rape culture” is a thing. There’s certainly a culture of trivialising sex and casual sex into nothing more than a pleasurable recreational activity. Men are encouraged to give in to their base instincts and have sex with multiple women and women are encouraged to go along with this and it’s all progressive. In that environment it’s only natural that men will see women as nothing more than objects.

But I don’t believe we have a rape culture in the sense that men are out there waiting you pounce, which is what the left would have you believe. The whole consent movement has blurred the lines between what constitutes rape and what doesn’t IMO. And it isn’t helping the underlying issue, which is men being trained to see women as objects and women being trained to be objects.
 
Sorry, I was going to reply to that post as well but changed my mind and forgot to take the reply part out. But I just deleted the post.
 
Unless women see the unborn and innocent as they are (not generalizing all women.
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Abortion is atrocious, but A has nothing to do with B here. Rape has been occurring long before the sexual revolution (See: attempted rape of St. Maria Goretti, 1902). By your logic, serial killers wouldn’t kill innocent people if no one supported abortion since it is also violent. And if women supporting abortion was the cause of rape, then why are young girls and boys who are too young to know better, as well as women who don’t support abortion also raped by rapist? No correlation here except rapists raping, made possible by society’s refusal to hold them accountable. You should transfer your thoughts on accountability to the actual perpetrators who commit the crime, then.
 
It probably varies which country a person is living in.
Eg:while rape exists everywhere I don’t really think there is a rape culture itself in Australia,much of Europe and Ireland (at least not on a wide scale) but perhaps it exists in US in the sense of coaches covering up for their “star” footy players or that abhorrent law mentioned that allows rapists to make child custody claims.
 
In terms of “enthusiastic yes” this video talks about consent and how an “enthusiastic yes” need not be robotic, but can instead add to the moment. Around 4:10 minutes in he starts talking about how it can be flirty.

 
Yeah, you have a point. The problem is that Irish universities have started doing all the consent nonsense with freshers. We’re a terrible bunch when it comes to trying to be “progressive”.

We really don’t have a campus rape problem, or a rape culture in Ireland, but even the left in Ireland have jumped on the “toxic masculinity” bandwagon.

I think what we really need is to teach men to be men and to respect women.
 
BoyGenius said:
As long as women persist to defend them, they are setting themselves up to disaster. Or more so, an indefensible position against rape.
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How does this work for male victim’s of rape? At least one in 6 men have been sexually assaulted.
Rape culture is mocking the victim and saying if he wasn’t so weak it wouldn’t have happened or snickering about how a boy got lucky because a “hot” teacher “had sex” with him. Rape culture is “don’t drop the soap” prison jokes.
 
Except that if women don’t believe or act like we believe that rapists are waiting to pounce on us we get told we’re being reckless, not cautious and at worst were “asking for it” when something does go wrong. You can not believe in rape culture but women are still expected not to walk home at night, we text our friends to say if we got home from a date safely, we go to bathrooms at clubs in groups, we watch our drinks, we are expected to keep alert for these dangers.
 
… you think it’s bad to teach young people, many of whom are only just leaving home to be around other young people, about consent?
 
The constant threat of rape is “just life”? One might say it’s part of our culture.
 
Alex337 said:
… you think it’s bad to teach young people, many of whom are only just leaving home to be around other young people, about consent?
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Yeah I think it’s not particularly good to teach them about consent ALONE. For several reasons.
1 - It assumes that they will be having sex and that sex is just a recreational activity that they will have “when they’re ready”.
2 - It’s only part of the picture and really won’t prevent rape. Most young men I know already are aware that no means no. A rapist isn’t going to be swayed by a 2 hour consent workshop.
3 - It’s generally done in the context of casual sex, which I wouldn’t really be looking to encourage for various reasons.
4 - Explicit consent is not always going to be present in consensual acts of any description and the focus on consent is overly simplistic and kinda assumes an element of stupidity.
 
Thanks for the video…but 6:37 personally I would runnnn…
(Ie:do you like this,do you want more,what do you want me to do,I want you to tell me exactly what you want me to do to you).
At this point he’s well intended but sounds sleazy.

Something along these lines (not fully!) may sound fine coming from my massage therapist but not from someone I was in a loving relationship or marriage with.
 
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Alex337 said:
The constant threat of rape is “just life”? One might say it’s part of our culture.
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The threat isn’t just rape though. I’ve often felt not completely safe walking in Dublin City at night. There are parts of the city where mugging is quite frequent. The fact that there are criminals in the world is just life and no amount of consent workshops will change that. In an ideal world maybe a woman could walk home from a nightclub with no fear but we don’t, and never will live in an ideal world so the idea that there will be some magical day where a woman can walk home by herself at 3am with no fear is not going to happen. Therefore it’s simply smart to go with girlfriends or have someone pick you up.
 
  1. Consent is about more than sex. Even if they are chaste they should know about personal boundaries.
  2. Having taught sex ed while many young boys no that “no means no” many did not know that silence doesn’t mean yes, or that pressuring a partner is wrong (girls play hard to get! You just need to keep trying! etc) But I agree we should likely be teaching consent more consistently and from a younger age.
  3. I have taught these and attended these. Perhaps yours are different but mine always made sure to be clear that it’s about more than sex and that consent is still important even in a committed relationship.
  4. If you are having sex with someone without explicit consent I am rather worried. You should likely talk to people in advance and make sure they want to have sex.
 
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