What role should the Church have in aiding aliens

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Send them to me. I would be happy to help however I can. Just like the Holy Family in Luke 1-2.
What are you going to do when they drain you dry and steal your prized possessions? If they are doing so terribly bad, why are Spanish speakers more likely to try and pay for their pizza on my pizza delivery job than us who speak English? Don’t dispute it. Iv’e been working this job for 16 years I know the patterns.
 
I would do the same as I am doing now.
You obviously don’t have many repsonsibilities in life. My first repsonsibility is to my disabled wife. Her healthcare could be more affordable with we didn’t have illegals clogging up our emergency rooms You obviously don’t get it.
 
Well if you’re going to restrict when we treat people like humans then there’s no point in my continuing.
I never said we should restrict when we treat people like humans; you are putting words in my mouth. I am saying that we should feed them, give them water, shelter them and give them emergency medical care if needed while in custody and then deport them. How is that restricting treating someone like a human?
 
I never said we should restrict when we treat people like humans; you are putting words in my mouth. I am saying that we should feed them, give them water, shelter them and give them emergency medical care if needed while in custody and then deport them. How is that restricting treating someone like a human?
It sounds to me like he has some guilt for living in a first world nation. So he wants them to over run us like locusts and drain our resourses so the USA ends up like a third world nation like the one’s they come from. Well I don’t Send them all back home, and if the want to come to America go to th back of the line and do it legally like each and everyon of my ancestors did. They are an insult to all those wh emigrated here legally, a slap in the face to those who went the legal route.
 
I never said we should restrict when we treat people like humans; you are putting words in my mouth. I am saying that we should feed them, give them water, shelter them and give them emergency medical care if needed while in custody and then deport them. How is that restricting treating someone like a human?
Sorry if I misunderstood or misread you. I agree we should give them food, shelter, health care, etc.
 
Personally, I spent enough time at the Attorney General’s Office to see horrible exploitation of the Alien workforce. It wasn’t minimum wage, it was 1/7th minimum wage. That is not showing charity either.
Latino Union of Chicago $20,000
**Project: **
*Day Laborer Project *3rd Year
**Issue Area: **Workers

Since 2000, the Latino Union of Chicago has collaborated with
low-income immigrant workers from Albany Park, Pilsen,
Avondale, and Cicero to improve social and economic conditions.

**Need: **
1/3 of day laborers will experience serious injury this year
and at least 16% will be arrested while looking for work. Due to
the economic downturn, street corners and the Worker Center
have seen a drop in employment opportunities. Newspapers report
that 250,000 Latinos have lost jobs in the construction industry
alone.

**Accomplishments: **In the past three years, the Albany
Park Worker’s Center has raised the median wage from $7/hour on

the street corner to $13/hour. A written contract at the Center has
eliminated wage theft for hired day laborers.
That is just one example of Latino groups “skimming” money from the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. 13 dollars/hr is not cheap labor! That is how these groups intend to push the Latin American agenda on Americans. This is the “dream” illegal aliens want. To bankrupt Americans and take over.
 
Why does the Catholic Church print deceptive literature?

Here is another whopper I found about how many Catholics are in Mexico.
Mexico:

Mexico (21 items) $371,977.00
Catholic Population: 122,211,000
That is from page 30 of the 2007 Annual Report of the Collection for the Churches in Latin America.

How can Mexico have 122,211,000 Catholics when there are less than 110 million Mexicans in Mexico.
 
The topic is
What role should the Church have in aiding aliens?
Keep the thread on topic please.
 
If someone violates a countries immigration laws, then they are a criminal for having committed a crime.

What about the teachings of the Church re: obeying just laws? Since you keep mentioning the Gospel, please tell us where it says we have to take in illegal aliens in this country, and I’m not talking about emergency food, shelter or medical care.
There is actually a wide variety of ways to determin the legal status, so calling them criminals only inflames the issue. I simply chose the word Alien because it represents the status of all non-citizens.

I think there are levels of care the church should show to the level of aliens.
An alien here with a valid visa - The church probably doesn’t need to feed or clothe them
An alien with a work permit - the church probably doesn’t need to feed or clothe them.
An alien with expired papers - The church might need to help. Legal aid might be required…
An alien without any papers - the church might need to feed, clothe, and assist with legal issues.

The point that is, really the church should help anyone who asks for help. But the scripture is very specific that we should treat “strangers” or aliens with the same consideration as a citizen.

I think when the law of the land attempts to override our Christ given mandates, we are justified in obeying Christ. An example would be from Orlando. The City created a law that made it a crime to feed more than 25 people in a city park without a permit. A local political party had a rally and fed hundreds and no one was arrested. Then a man decided to feed the homeless and was arrested. So he had to hire a defense attorney, close to $3000 to take it to trial, all to follow Christ’s instruction.

I mention it because we have a long history of standing up to laws which violate our obligations. Do aliens have a right to violate immigrations laws to try to feed their families? Thats one that is really muddled. It is muddled because if they are hungry then they could seek the assistance from their local church. But the church isn’t their to raise their standard of living and that is really why they cross the border. Once they get here they realize the cost of living is significantly higher and BAM! they are poor. Now they need assistance just to eat. It is at this point the local church should help.
 
There is actually a wide variety of ways to determin the legal status, so calling them criminals only inflames the issue. I simply chose the word Alien because it represents the status of all non-citizens.

I think there are levels of care the church should show to the level of aliens.
An alien here with a valid visa - The church probably doesn’t need to feed or clothe them
An alien with a work permit - the church probably doesn’t need to feed or clothe them.
An alien with expired papers - The church might need to help. Legal aid might be required…
An alien without any papers - the church might need to feed, clothe, and assist with legal issues.

The point that is, really the church should help anyone who asks for help. But the scripture is very specific that we should treat “strangers” or aliens with the same consideration as a citizen.

I think when the law of the land attempts to override our Christ given mandates, we are justified in obeying Christ. An example would be from Orlando. The City created a law that made it a crime to feed more than 25 people in a city park without a permit. A local political party had a rally and fed hundreds and no one was arrested. Then a man decided to feed the homeless and was arrested. So he had to hire a defense attorney, close to $3000 to take it to trial, all to follow Christ’s instruction.

I mention it because we have a long history of standing up to laws which violate our obligations. Do aliens have a right to violate immigrations laws to try to feed their families? Thats one that is really muddled. It is muddled because if they are hungry then they could seek the assistance from their local church. But the church isn’t their to raise their standard of living and that is really why they cross the border. Once they get here they realize the cost of living is significantly higher and BAM! they are poor. Now they need assistance just to eat. It is at this point the local church should help.
This is all quite interesting. If Mexico is almost 100% Catholic, why don’t those same rules apply to people on the Mexican side of the border? Has the Catholic Church given Mexicans a pass when it comes to taking care of their own people? All you are doing is examing how bad Americans are for not feeding aliens first while ignoring American poor. And I am showing you how bad the Catholic Church is for ignoring their own people to feed Latin America first.

Charity begins at home. Would you starve your own people to feed strangers?
 
This is all quite interesting. If Mexico is almost 100% Catholic, why don’t those same rules apply to people on the Mexican side of the border? Has the Catholic Church given Mexicans a pass when it comes to taking care of their own people? All you are doing is examing how bad Americans are for not feeding aliens first while ignoring American poor. And I am showing you how bad the Catholic Church is for ignoring their own people to feed Latin America first.

Charity begins at home. Would you starve your own people to feed strangers?
Well, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t say prioritize the poor.
 
Facts regarding illegals have been debated here often. I dont believe that many who wish to “care” for them consider how it is to be done. How can we…you and me…“care” for them. How many do we let in here? We have 10% unemployment. What about legal immigrants who are here…and want to be here…LEGALLY? I dont believe a penny of gov’t taxpayer money should be paid for illegals. No free education, no free health care, no under-the-table low wages with employers who do that to avoid taking out employment taxes. Here’s the answer…Go home and join a group to fix your country of origin. Stop taking things that people who are wanting to get here legally are entitled to.
This is a good article:
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*the church should help anyone who asks for help. But the scripture is very specific that we should treat “strangers” or aliens with the same consideration as a citizen. *

The Law of Moses (Exodus 22:20) does say “You shall not molest or oppress an alien, for you were once aliens in the land of Egypt.” How were the Israelites treated in Egypt? They were enslaved, forced to perform hard labor, denied the right to practice their faith, and their male children were killed (on the grounds that they were a threat to “national security”; see Exodus 1).

In Old Testament times, kings had the power to treat ANY “illegal” alien as a potential enemy combatant or spy, and could kill, imprison, or enslave them on the spot. God, through Moses, commanded the Israelites to be more humane and allow aliens who were willing to live in peace with the Israelites to stay in the country. Those who did NOT live in peace with the Israelites, or attempted to corrupt or subvert the Jews’ way of life, were treated differently, which I will explain in a moment.

Other provisions of Old Testament law make a clear distinction between aliens and citizens. For example, there were limits on how long an Israelite citizen could be kept in slavery or servitude to pay off a debt, but a non-Israelite could remain a slave for life, and his/her master was not obligated to free them. Moreover, Israelites were forbidden or at least strongly discouraged from marrying foreigners who continued to practice their pagan religions. In the Book of Ezra, written after the Babylonian exile, the men of Israel are commanded to divorce their foreign wives because so many of them had been led into pagan practices by their wives.

Also, Old Testament law technically excluded citizens of certain hostile nations like Moab and Ammon from ever becoming “members of the assembly” or Israelite citizens (Deuteronomy 23). The Book of Ruth, however, recounts the story of a Moabite woman who did convert, married an Israelite and became the great-grandmother of King David (and through him, an ancestor of Jesus Christ). Some scholars believe Ruth may have been written in the fourth century B.C. as a protest or counterpoint to Ezra’s policy mentioned above – to remind people that not all aliens were evil or hostile.

In the New Testament, Jesus does show unusual (for that time) tolerance and respect for non-Jews such as the Samaritan woman at the well, the Roman centurion and his servant, and the Syro-Phoenician woman whose daughter was possessed. But he did still recognize that there were distinctions between Jews and non-Jews, and that Jews (citizens) possessed certain privileges that Gentiles did not. He told the Phoenician woman “it is not right to take the children’s food and give it to the dogs” (Mark 7:24), but he did, in the end, reward her persistent faith by granting her request to heal her daughter.

So what does this mean to us today?

As far as the Church is concerned, Catholic individuals and organizations are free to use their OWN money and resources to aid anyone in need without demanding that they prove their citizenship status or any other kind of qualification first. These would include food pantries, Christmas gift collections for needy children, collections of maternity or baby items for crisis pregnancy centers, etc. Also, Catholic churches can welcome anyone to attend Mass or receive the sacraments for themselves or their children; national residency status is not relevant to one’s “eligibility” to practice the Catholic faith.

But with regard to GOVERNMENT funded programs or rights/privileges such as obtaining driver’s licenses, work permits, Medicaid, etc., the government has every right to set eligibility requirements for these, and to restrict them to people who meet those qualifications, including citizenship or legal alien residency. If these requirements were strictly enforced, and it became exceptionally difficult or impossible for illegal aliens to find work, travel, get non-emergency medical treatment, etc. that alone would discourage many illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S. and encourage many who are already here to leave.
 
Why does the Catholic Church print deceptive literature?

Here is another whopper I found about how many Catholics are in Mexico.

That is from page 30 of the 2007 Annual Report of the Collection for the Churches in Latin America.

How can Mexico have 122,211,000 Catholics when there are less than 110 million Mexicans in Mexico.
Maybe they are counting the 12 million illegals in the US.
 
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Keep it charitable or else.
 
I am not trying to deminish the death, but the same year this happened, 17,029 citizens commited murder. That’s a murder rate of 5.68 per 100,000, but for that same year the alien murder rate would be .0083 per 100,000.

If the alien number were closer to the citizen number we would have had an additional 682 murders.

If the citizen number were closer to the alien number we would have had only 25 murders for the entire year!
 
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