.What the Bible Really Says on Homosexuality in 5 Quotes. A short article

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BTW, you will find nothing in the bible in favour or against birth control. There is simply no commentary that speaks directly to it.
 
I will let bible scholars argue that one. But there is 2,000 years of Catholic teaching, and 500 years of Protestant teaching, up until 1930.
 
The RC church goes to great lengths explaining that God takes great delight in large families. And then goes to great lengths to suggest that Mary and Joseph had no more children then Jesus.
 
Monica83 said:
My atheist uncle is still Catholic you know…what exactly is your point?
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My point is that there is an exceptionally large proportion of self identifying Catholics who are living what their church teaches are immoral lives. It would seem to me - and this is simply my personal opinion, that rather concentrating on the small proportion of the population who are gay and railing against them, it would be more judicious to concentrate on the problems within the church first so you would set a better example.

But I think you knew what my point was in any case.
 
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And then goes to great lengths to suggest that Mary and Joseph had no more children then Jesus.
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Kinda irrelevant considering one situation was for raising the Son of God Himself. And artificial contraception and not having sex aren’t the same thing.
 
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Freddy:
And the child would have good cause to complain about his parents laying down the law on matters of morality if they and their friends were living immoral lives themselves. I’m sure he’d be quoting John 8:7 to them
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And the kid would be reminded that they are his parents, not the other way around.
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Children seem to have a way of seeing through hypocrisy. Maybe the kid would quote Psalms 8:2 as well.
 
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Freddy:
Maybe the kid would quote Psalms 8:2 as well.
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And the kid would be reminded that kids must honor their parents and that they’ve been set over them by God.
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And this is where the analogy loses it’s suitability. How about we change it to someone from a religion (you can pick any one) who is complaining to a few people that they don’t live their lives according to the teaching of that religion whilst the majority of those within that religion are doing the same.

How does that sound to you?
 
Well you can self-identify as whatever you want nowadays. Doesn’t mean you have dedicated yourself to that religion in thought, word, and deed. My uncle could say he’s a Catholic on any form where it could give Catholics a bad name. He’s divorced. How many Catholics are divorced? He’s one of them. How many Catholics commit adultery or fornicate? He’s one of them so I guess he could be included in that poll. There are many Catholics that show up to Mass at Easter and Christmas only(prior to Covid). Well I guess we better say these are faith living Catholics showing up twice a year.
 
Freddy said:
How about we change it to someone from a religion (you can pick any one) who is complaining to a few people that they don’t live their lives according to the teaching of that religion whilst the majority of those within that religion are doing the same.
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How do you know that same person isn’t giving his brethren an earful?
 
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Freddy:
How about we change it to someone from a religion (you can pick any one) who is complaining to a few people that they don’t live their lives according to the teaching of that religion whilst the majority of those within that religion are doing the same.
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How do you know that same person isn’t giving his brethren an earful?
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In my years on this forum I have lost count of the number of threads on homosexuality. I can’t honestly remember one that took fellow Catholics to task regarding contraception.
 
You know, a simple search of the forums with ‘contraception’ brings up a lot of threads about contraception, its evils, etc. Don’t know how you missed them.
 
stpurl said:
You know, a simple search of the forums with ‘contraception’ brings up a lot of threads about contraception, its evils, etc. Don’t know how you missed them.
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But hardly any directly started as a topic in itself decrying the immorality of it. As compared to those about homosexuality.
 
Wait. First you say in all your time you
Can’t honestly remember a thread that took Catholics to task regarding contraception.

Now you’re trying to move the goal posts, when you haven’t even explored the number of threads in a search using ONLY the word ‘contraception’, and trying to argue that “hardly any of them started as a topic in itself decrying the immorality of it.”

Why on earth is it so hard for you to admit that you blew it the first time by carelessly making a blanket statement in an attempt to make your implication look ‘better?’

You’d get more respect for saying something like, “Oh well, I guess I missed it. Well maybe I think the focus is MORE on the other topic but I guess I can’t really say that Catholics don’t defend the Church’s teachings on other wrongs as well’.

I don’t know why it is, but some people seem to think that if they ever admitted to making an error that the world would end and so they just dig themselves in deeper. They aren’t fooling anybody. It’s kind of sad. Nobody likes being wrong (I still cringe at one particular error I made in Double Jeopardy and lucky me, it’s captured forever on celluloid and my family love to tease me, but you know what? The world kept turning and my family still brags about their “Encyclopedia Girl”. Being wrong now and then is a good learning opportunity.)
 
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stpurl said:
Wait. First you say in all your time you
Can’t honestly remember a thread that took Catholics to task regarding contraception.
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No. I can’t. Contraception has obviously been discussed in many threads. But definitely not as a stand-alone thread such as the ones we constantly see on homosexuality. It’s a constant refrain. Bordering on the obsessive.
 
I notice you don’t address the goal-moving. Didn’t expect you would but hope springs eternal and all that. None so blind. . .
 
stpurl said:
I notice you don’t address the goal-moving. Didn’t expect you would but hope springs eternal and all that. None so blind. . .
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I’ve just gone back to the begining of October just in Moral Theology and there are nine threads dealing with homosexuality and two on contraception. One of those was just the one post and the other was one asking for advice.

Edit: And back about the same length of time in Social Justice and there were 5 about homosexuality and none that appeared to be about contraception.
 
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Freddy said:
I think Corinthians covers about 90% of the population with numerous sins. Why pick out homosexuality?
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Probably because there are not large factions inside and outside the church pushing to justify rampant use of pornography, adultery, or drug use, nor is there a prominent “Child Pornography Pride Parade” annually in cities across America. I don’t see Priests and lay people seeking to achieve greater acceptance of the Catholic men who regularly abuse pornographic materials. Why is that, I wonder?

We tackle the problems most pressing and lethal that are at the forefront first, much like we’d treat a man with cancer’s broken leg before deciding on a long-term plan for chemo treatment.
 
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