What will provoke the next Ecumenical Council?

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phil19034 said:
Most Church historians say it take about 100 years for the Church to stabilize after Councils. Each Council is often followed by 50 years of confusion, followed by 50 years of healing.
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That makes sense, do you have a reference for one of them so I can read more?
 
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Most Church historians say it take about 100 years for the Church to stabilize after Councils. Each Council is often followed by 50 years of confusion, followed by 50 years of healing.
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That makes sense, do you have a reference for one of them so I can read more?
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I don’t. I’ve read that and heard that on a number of different articles and talks. However, I currently don’t know where to find the sources I heard this from.

However, I did do a quick search I found this one article from the National “Catholic” Reporter (a publication I do not recommend). Jesuit says confusion over Vatican II is normal, even 50 years later | National Catholic Reporter
 
2112 and it’ll be a walking back of both V1 and V2 and will finally result in the unification of the Church via the ultimate triumph of councillarism.
 
Me too. I see no problem with Ordinary Form mass, but I do have a huge issue with all the cafeteria Catholics and the modernist heresies that exist. It’s an education problem.
 
This thread so far:

“Let us make Church in our own image and likeness”

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  • When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. -John 16:13
  • And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. -Matthew 16:18
  • The apostles and the elders met together to consider this matter. After there had been much debate, Peter stood up […] For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us -Acts 15
 
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I wouldn’t say so. I’d say it’s more a discussion on why we would need an ecumenical council.
 
I guess I should have clarified: What bugs me is this subtle (but sometimes explicit) attitude that Vatican 2 is not legitimate.

See above posts like “Vatican 3 will have to dispense with Vatican 2”
 
The number of Catholics in the United States has risen as well.
 
catholic1seeks said:
I guess I should have clarified: What bugs me is this subtle (but sometimes explicit) attitude that Vatican 2 is not legitimate.

See above posts like “Vatican 3 will have to dispense with Vatican 2”
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V1 very much caused V2. If you walk back one, you need to walk back both.

And I wouldn’t hold it at the Vatican. So no V3 🙂
 
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Perhaps, but Councils are never called because good things are happening, but rather to rule on a dispute over doctrine or practice that threatens to divide the Church.
 
I have never understood the cumbersome idea of Ecumenical councils. If a simple lay person can claim to ask God something and get a response, why can’t the Pope just directly ask God to clarify the subject at issue and then give an infallible decision?
 
See, I actually kinda agree mostly. The Church has a crisis not because of the clergy, but because many Catholics simply don’t want to follow Church teaching.
 
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because many Catholics simply don’t want to follow Church teaching.
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There have always been many Catholics who simply don’t want to follow Church teaching, CP.

Also many Jews don’t want to follow Jewish teaching, Hindus that don’t want to follow Hindu teaching and Wiccans that would just as soon not follow Wicca teachings.

Simply not wanting to do things goes with the territory of being human.
 
But it seems that far more Catholics are that way than other faiths, and it’s causing a split in the Church.
 
There are also far more Catholics overall than members of other faiths too.

I don’t see where this is proportionately worse for Catholics than anyone else.
 
Nobody’s teaching newer generations about Catholicism. In America, it’s becoming secularized. That’s the problem: It’s dying.
 
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