What's a clear, charitable "come-back" for protestants?

[qui_est_ce]

Here add this to your list Fred…“hypocrite”…if this makes you feel bad then you are feeling bad about what you are ( I believe in this situation it is not uncharitable to point out to Fred what he is acting like). To say everyone here is so rude for saying these things and then tell us that all Catholics are going to hell, and also replying to posts in the manner in which you do makes you a hypocrite… shall we list all the things you’ve called everyone in the short amount of time you’ve been here? Actually forget that part… you know… and it would be a total waste of time. Besides I asked you one simple question as did others and you have yet to answer it. In what denomination’s worshiping building do you attend all these Christian events?

SD

I haven’t found anything of substance in Fred’s posts, just claims that he debunked our posts by saying “unbiblical.”

I wonder if Fred know that it was the Catholic Church which compiled the Bible as we know it today? That without the CC he would have no Bible today?

 

[FredSmith]

shall we list all the things you’ve called everyone in the short amount of time you’ve been here?

Yes. Please do.

In what denomination’s worshiping building do you attend all these Christian events?

None. It’s our building.

 

[qui_est_ce]

The Nestorian heresy states that Christ is two persons: one human, and one divine. They taught that Mary was the mother of His human person, but not of His divine person.

This heresy was condemned twice; first at the Council of Ephesus in 431, which was where Mary received the title of “Theotokos” (God-bearer) and the second at Chalcedon in 451, which was where she officially received the title that first was given to her by her cousin Elizabeth, “Mother of God.”

Okay, and at which Church Council was it declared that Jesus was the equal of God, that is, against Arianism. I believe Constantine called that one together because this heresy was threatening the cohesiveness of Christianity?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Here add this to your list Fred…“hypocrite”…if this makes you feel bad then you are feeling bad about what you are ( I believe in this situation it is not uncharitable to point out to Fred what he is acting like). To say everyone here is so rude for saying these things and then tell us that all Catholics are going to hell, and also replying to posts in the manner in which you do makes you a hypocrite… shall we list all the things you’ve called everyone in the short amount of time you’ve been here? Actually forget that part… you know… and it would be a total waste of time. Besides I asked you one simple question as did others and you have yet to answer it. In what denomination’s worshiping building do you attend all these Christian events?

SD

SD, Fred was shown in an earlier post the the reference to the dung hill was a quote from Martin Luther, and taken out of context by Fred. I could look it up if you are interested.

 

[jmcrae]

None. It’s our building.

Cheeky.

So, are you Campbellite, or Plymouth Brethren?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Fredsmith
2 questions?

1.Do you feel the Holy Spirit steered you to this site?

2.If a Catholic believes in the same Father,Son,&Holy Spirit as you,yet,combines that same beliefe as yours but with the addition of partaking in the Catholic Church’s Sacrements as well,then are “we” Catholics possibly “saved” as you view being “saved”?

Well, at least Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would be with the CC until the end of time, keeping her from error.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Cheeky.

So, are you Campbellite, or Plymouth Brethren?

I believe the birthday of the Catholic Church is on Pentecost, as in Acts?

Catholic Priesthood was instutued at the Last Supper. We celebrate this every Holy Thursday. So impressive to see all the priests in procession to the Cathedral on this day.

 

[AllforJesus]

First of all, I would sincerely like to thank all of you who have responded to the ORIGINAL question of this thread. Your wisdom and insight have been a source of inspiration that I will definitely remember the next time I find myself in this situation (which, as I said, is quite often…)

I sincerely liked CAT’s suggestion as well about the blessing (especially the conviction with which you shared it…) and believe that on occasion it would be “just what the doctor ordered”; however, I also believe that sometimes we are obliged to say something more. Especially in America, wherein the pragmatic culture sometime abounds, it is necessary to give REASONS to back up our convictions and not fall into the trap of merely hanging onto our emotions.

Furthermore, to smile and walk off could sometimes give the wrong impression. In other words, it could make them think that I care less about which church they attend…

Personally, aware that at times there are huge and even scandalous differences between what I believe (a Roman Catholic) and what a member of a non-denominationaI church believes, I always try to love them and wish for their entrance into full-communion with the One Church of Christ! The Church founded by Christ and intended by Christ for all Christians… In other words, I can’t just walk away. I feel the moral obligation to share with them this treasure.

But how? That’s the question… With LOVE, that’s the answer.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS Love. Love is the only invariable… Love is the greatest gift of Christianity to humanity.

“Always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence.” (1 Pet. 3:15)

But love can be manifest in many ways: it can be manifest in a gesture (eg. a blessing) and it can be manifest through words.

In the end, I guess the real solution to the inquiry is about being “in tune” with the Holy Spirit. Like some of you said earlier, in an encounter of this type, the important thing isn’t ME, its HIM. Its about what HE wants… And in order to know what HE wants, what HE wants me to say, it is necessary to be in tune with the Holy Spirit. And again, whatever I do, do it with love.

Which brings me to a final point…

At the beginning of this thread, it seems that there was at least one thing we all agreed upon, i.e. “In the end, we (ALL) believe in the same God”.

Well, for those of you who have chosen to go off on a tangent (Fred, James, Manny…) perhaps you should pause to assimilate this Truth first before proceeding with your responses. It is natural to get worked up, but it doesn’t make it right to respond as such.

Well, its just past eleven here in Rome :yawn: so after remembering you all in my prayers , I’ll be heading off to bed…

God bless!

 

[SD_Catholic]

=FredSmith;3202109]Yes. Please do.

You know and I said it would be a waste of time. To say we are going to hell is plenty. Unfortunately I’ve been reading this thread from the beginning and what started out fairly interesting has led to this…

None. It’s our building.

How can we respect you at all when you give answers like this? Is it that complicated of an answer? Perhaps you are embarrassed about it. Would you say you’re an independent? You speak of others… what denomination would those kind Christians say they belong to? Who’s building?.. your house?.. your mom’s basement?.. how would I know where to go to join your fellowship of believers?

SD

 

[fbl9]

hey fb19… did you ever raise pigs? That would definetly explain the previous temper issue…

:) no but have had some experience with them and i gather you must have had too or you won"t know the joys of handling pigs. :D

 

[SD_Catholic]

SD, Fred was shown in an earlier post the the reference to the dung hill was a quote from Martin Luther, and taken out of context by Fred. I could look it up if you are interested.

Thanks… I know exactly of the quote you are referring to:thumbsup: … but he brought it up again and seemed to refuse the response and add it to his list of mean things he’s been called here at CA. I beleive I too should stop reading his posts since they hold no value and only breed harshness.

SD

 

[jmcrae]

Okay, and at which Church Council was it declared that Jesus was the equal of God, that is, against Arianism. I believe Constantine called that one together because this heresy was threatening the cohesiveness of Christianity?

This heresy was fought by the Bishop St. Athanasius (who produced a first draft edition of what we now know and love today as the Athanasian Creed), and it was then condemned at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD, which as you no doubt already know, produced the Nicene Creed.

I am not finding in my notes any indication of who actually called this Council, but I am under the impression that it was Pope Sylvester I together with his Bishops (incuding, obviously, Bishop St. Athanasius himself); the Emperor Constantine obviously must have facilitated it in some way in order for it to have succeeded, but I doubt that he was present, or that it was his own idea, since at the time he was not yet a Catholic. (He may have already been a Catechumen, though, and undertaking to study the faith - this, I don’t know.)

 

[qui_est_ce]

I sincerely liked CAT’s suggestion as well about the blessing (especially the conviction with which you shared it…) and believe that on occasion it would be “just what the doctor ordered”; however, I also believe that sometimes we are obliged to say something more. Especially in America, wherein the pragmatic culture sometime abounds, it is necessary to give REASONS to back up our convictions and not fall into the trap of merely hanging onto our emotions.

I agree

Furthermore, to smile and walk off could sometimes give the wrong impression. In other words, it could make them think that I care less about which church they attend…

The New Evangelization

Personally, aware that at times there are huge and even scandalous differences between what I believe (a Roman Catholic) and what a member of a non-denominationaI church believes, I always try to love them and wish for their entrance into full-communion with the One Church of Christ! The Church founded by Christ and intended by Christ for all Christians… In other words, I can’t just walk away. I feel the moral obligation to share with them this treasure.

It is what Christ told His Church - Go out and make disciples of all the nations.

“Always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence.” (1 Pet. 3:15)

Well, for those of you who have chosen to go off on a tangent (Fred, James, Manny…) perhaps you should pause to assimilate this Truth first before proceeding with your responses. It is natural to get worked up, but it doesn’t make it right to respond as such.

Well, its just past eleven here in Rome :yawn: so after remembering you all in my prayers , I’ll be heading off to bed…

God bless!

Well, this is what Manny, James Jmcrae are doing, making a defense.

I envy you being in Rome, so close to the history of our beautiful Catholic Church, and the seat of Peter, first Pope.

 

[CentralFLJames]

I haven’t found anything of substance in Fred’s posts, just claims that he debunked our posts by saying “unbiblical.”

I wonder if Fred know that it was the Catholic Church which compiled the Bible as we know it today? That without the CC he would have no Bible today?

This is the part that gives me anger management issues. We have a bunch of heretical protestants coming in 1500 years after the Catholics put together the initial cannon law and the bible to try to hijack scripture and put a mullet wrapper of fundamentalism and secular patriotism around it. They want to make it into something completely devoid of intellectual, philosophical, spiritual and historical pedigree and make it a new social club that gives true Catholic Christians a bad rap.

I feel like these fundamentalist are trying to “rape” our church, sully our traditions and our true faith and replace it with a bunch of uninspired redneck and bigoted nonsense. I get angry thinking of these people clapping hands and bouncing around under the circus tent in the country and shouting into loud microphones saying “Alleluia!! Have you been saved and born again brother? Come to Jesus!”. I can’t imagine God is happy about it either and can only laugh thinking how these same people might tell God at their judgement what He said from their fundamentalist perspective and arguing with God in circles for eternity to avoid hell since they can’t believe in the mercy of a purgatory…

James

 

[SD_Catholic]

no but have had some experience with them and i gather you must have had too or you won"t know the joys of handling pigs.

Oh yeah… just little bundles of joy those things are.:nope: I believe I’m still feeling the ill effects in my own anger management.

SD

 

[jmcrae]

Well, its just past eleven here in Rome :yawn: so after remembering you all in my prayers , I’ll be heading off to bed…

God bless!

Good night, Father - may you sleep well. Thank you for your prayers; they are much needed.

 

[qui_est_ce]

This heresy was fought by the Bishop St. Athanasius (who produced a first draft edition of what we now know and love today as the Athanasian Creed), and it was then condemned at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD, which as you no doubt already know, produced the Nicene Creed.

I am not finding in my notes any indication of who actually called this Council, but I am under the impression that it was Pope Sylvester I together with his Bishops (incuding, obviously, Bishop St. Athanasius himself); the Emperor Constantine obviously must have facilitated it in some way in order for it to have succeeded, but I doubt that he was present, or that it was his own idea, since at the time he was not yet a Catholic. (He may have already been a Catechumen, though, and undertaking to study the faith - this, I don’t know.)

Constantine did attend. He actually is the one who began to use the Crucifix as his standard bearer, because he won a battle. Constatine believed in the Catholic Church, he just wasn’t BAPTIZED yet.

 

[qui_est_ce]

This is the part that gives me anger management issues. We have a bunch of heretical protestants coming in 1500 years after the Catholics put together the initial cannon law and the bible to try to hijack scripture and put a mullet wrapper of fundamentalism and secular patriotism around it. They want to make it into something completely devoid of intellectual, philosophical, spiritual and historical pedigree and make it a new social club that gives true Catholic Christians a bad rap.

I feel like these fundamentalist are trying to “rape” our church, sully our traditions and our true faith and replace it with a bunch of uninspired redneck and bigoted nonsense. I get angry thinking of these people clapping hands and bouncing around under the circus tent in the country and shouting into loud microphones saying “Alleluia!! Have you been saved and born again brother? Come to Jesus!”. I can’t imagine God is happy about it either and can only laugh thinking how these same people might tell God at their judgement what He said from their fundamentalist perspective and arguing with God in circles for eternity to avoid hell since they can’t believe in the mercy of a purgatory…

James

I actually like to be challenged. I have learned so much more about my beautiful Catholic faith because of the challenge here at CAF. Because of CAF and the attacks on Jesus’ Church, I have come to better understand and could NEVER leave the CC for any other denomination.

 

[fbl9]

Oh yeah… just little bundles of joy those things are.:nope: I believe I’m still feeling the ill effects in my own anger management.

SD

perhaps you may have some sugestions that i may have not tried. one way i know for sur is daily mass but at 40 miles to nearest church it takes a good chunk out of the day. may be i should try different thread thanks.

 

[Erich]

Depends. Are you born again?

Wow, this thread has certainly “taken off” since I last logged in!

In John 3:5, Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

Because water baptism is the way that we are born again and receive new life — a fact that is supported elsewhere in Scripture (cf. Rom. 6:3–4; Col. 2:12–13; Titus 3:5) — I can wholeheartedly say in answer to your question, “Yes, I am born again!”

That said, we all fall short of perfection, even after being born again. Scripture nowhere states that our future sins are forgiven; instead, it teaches us to pray, “And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.” My question to you is, how do you get from “having sinned” to “being purified so as to become worthy of entering the presence of God in Heaven”?

As with others who have posted here noted, frequent use of the Sacraments of God’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church come into play here. After all, Jesus didn’t breathe on His Apostles (John 20:21-23) and give them the power to forgive sins if He didn’t expect them (and their successors!) to use that power!