What's the craziest Anti-Catholic whopper you've ever heard?

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Ok–I’m going to try and not offend you–because sincerely that is not my intention. I did go back and look at my original post. Notice I did not mention where the quote was from? I did not mention you at all…just your words. So–I wasn’t laughing at you.

Regarding your posts…no I would not go out and look at that stuff–even if I was still protestant. I don’t go sifting through garbage looking for diamonds. It offends me. And if what you said was directed toward Protestants I would still say the same thing.

In defense of the faith I have returned to…yes…because I’ve fallen in love with my faith…and it has led me into falling in love with God again. So I will passionately defend it!:knight2:

Again…I’m sorry my posting it offended you.
Hi Annabelle, I accept your apology, lets leave it there. How did you come to terms then with the simple teachings of Bible believers and all the theology of the RC Church particularly regarding stuff like purgatory, indulgences and the no salvation outside RC? If Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and The Life… why does the RC interpret that as meaning the RC is the way, the truth and the life? I am liking going back to the RC because it is solid, but I struggle with some of the teachings as I always did. I wonder how you reconciled your differences?:confused:
 
Hi Annabelle, I accept your apology, lets leave it there. How did you come to terms then with the simple teachings of Bible believers and all the theology of the RC Church particularly regarding stuff like purgatory, indulgences and the no salvation outside RC? If Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and The Life… why does the RC interpret that as meaning the RC is the way, the truth and the life? I am liking going back to the RC because it is solid, but I struggle with some of the teachings as I always did. I wonder how you reconciled your differences?:confused:
Were you ever really taught the Catholic faith, to seek? If so and you understood the teachings on purgatory, indulgences and EENS, then I would understand if you felt they were un-Biblical.

But, I fear, that you were never really taught the Catholic faith. :sad_yes:
 
So can you tell us one thing that the Church teaches that you don’t agree with, and we can go from there?
Yes and a few more besides. I do not believe that outside the RC Church is no salvation, whether or not Im going back there. 2. I do not believe in indulgences, never did. Once dead there is the first judgement, that I believe. 3. I do not believe we can pray anyone out of purgatory because we decide on earth by our actions and our hearts what happers when we die, whether heaven or hell. Christs Blood cleansed new believers when He died. We can not add to that, RC or Protestant. So theres a few issues in those questions alone for all to think seriously about.👍
 
Yes and a few more besides. I do not believe that outside the RC Church is no salvation, whether or not Im going back there. 2. I do not believe in indulgences, never did. Once dead there is the first judgement, that I believe. 3. I do not believe we can pray anyone out of purgatory because we decide on earth by our actions and our hearts what happers when we die, whether heaven or hell. Christs Blood cleansed new believers when He died. We can not add to that, RC or Protestant. So theres a few issues in those questions alone for all to think seriously about.👍
What do you think that Jesus died for? So that people could continue in their sins? Or so that they could become holy? (What does St. Paul say? Does he say that people can go ahead and continue in their sins, or does he call his readers to greater holiness?)

If someone is becoming holy, but they are not completely holy yet at the time of their death, do you think that Jesus would give them a chance to finish becoming holy (Purgatory) or would He just send them to Hell, even though they had been trying very hard ever since they first heard of Jesus, to become as holy as they possibly could? Which way do you think is most fair? 🤷
 
Were you ever really taught the Catholic faith, to seek? If so and you understood the teachings on purgatory, indulgences and EENS, then I would understand if you felt they were un-Biblical.

But, I fear, that you were never really taught the Catholic faith. :sad_yes:
Hi yes I grew up with the same teachings that you were, and I practised with sincerity until some of these teachings, not all of them, just did not stack up. For instance, when Christ died on the Cross, that was the ultimate sacrifice, once and for all, for all sin, for all time. So why the need to have indulgences? Is the RC saying that Jesus sacrifice was not enough? Point 2. We cannot influence here on earth what happens to peoples souls after they have died. Even as a coming home Catholic, like yourself, I believe these things firmly. No saint, no human being still alive has that kind of power. I am writing as a thinking believing christian who actually likes the RC Church for what they offer in the Sacraments. Think about it. Praying to and for the dead is definitely not what I call part of the truth even though millions believe sincerely in this practise. This is the superstitious part of RC teachings I do not think stack up.:cool:
 
What do you think that Jesus died for? So that people could continue in their sins? Or so that they could become holy? (What does St. Paul say? Does he say that people can go ahead and continue in their sins, or does he call his readers to greater holiness?)

If someone is becoming holy, but they are not completely holy yet at the time of their death, do you think that Jesus would give them a chance to finish becoming holy (Purgatory) or would He just send them to Hell, even though they had been trying very hard ever since they first heard of Jesus, to become as holy as they possibly could? Which way do you think is most fair? 🤷
Jesus died to take away our sins and restore the broken relationship between man and God. A believer is expected to live as holy a life as possible on this earth.No we are NOT expected to continue in our sins. We are expected to overcome them, repent of them and be obediant till the day we die. We are not judged by how holy we are. Jesus knew we could never be perfect and therin lies the Confessional where Catholics can freely go, and for other christians, they usually go to their Pastors for accountability, or they get on their knees and pray and ask for forgiveness. It isnt a question of fairness. God Himself provided The Way, and He never expected any of us to be perfect because we cant be.👍
 
Hi yes I grew up with the same teachings that you were…
Yes, but I think you were poorly catechized, to seek.

If you could give a very cursory explanation of the doctrine of Purgatory that you were taught–where it is in Scripture, why the Church teaches it–then I’d believe you knew the faith you left.

But I sincerely doubt that you could provide any explanation except, “This is what I was taught to believe”.

If you actually *knew *the faith that you left I would have more understanding of your faith journey. But when someone leaves something they did not know…🤷
 
Hi Annabelle, I accept your apology, lets leave it there. How did you come to terms then with the simple teachings of Bible believers and all the theology of the RC Church particularly regarding stuff like purgatory, indulgences and the no salvation outside RC? If Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and The Life… why does the RC interpret that as meaning the RC is the way, the truth and the life? I am liking going back to the RC because it is solid, but I struggle with some of the teachings as I always did. I wonder how you reconciled your differences?:confused:
To Seek–I do want to respond to you however I don’t have time today…I’m having my marriage convalidated after the evening Mass tonight. 😃 So more to come…

God Bless!
 
Hi Annabelle, I accept your apology, lets leave it there. How did you come to terms then with the simple teachings of Bible believers and all the theology of the RC Church particularly regarding stuff like purgatory, indulgences and the no salvation outside RC? If Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and The Life… why does the RC interpret that as meaning the RC is the way, the truth and the life? I am liking going back to the RC because it is solid, but I struggle with some of the teachings as I always did. I wonder how you reconciled your differences?:confused:
As a former fundamentalist, I can tell you I “came to terms” with it because the doctrine of the Catholic Church is scriptural.

Purgatory- What it is and what it isn’t. It ISN’T a second chance at heaven. When you die you are destined for heaven or hell. Not a second chance for repentance.

What it is?

1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name *Purgatory *to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:
Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611 606 Cf. Council of Florence (1439):DS 1304; Council of Trent (1563):DS 1820; (1547):1580; see also Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336):DS 1000.
607 Cf. 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7.
608 St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4,39:PL 77,396; cf. Mt 12:31.
609 2 Macc 12:46.
610 Cf. Council of Lyons II (1274):DS 856.
611 St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in 1 Cor. 41,5:PG 61,361; cf. Job 1:5

If you believe you are perfect in heaven with no desire to sin, but aren’t perfect yet even though you love Christ and are saved by His blood, you believe in purgatory. Catholics have a name for the change that takes place through CHrist’s saving blood. We call it purgatory. Read the bible references

Indulgences - There are some great little “primers” about indulgences too. I will just put the links in, since I don’t know what “part” of indulgences you think are unbiblical. What people THINK indulgences are is unbiblical, the ABUSE of indulgences was unbiblical, but indulgences themselves are not.

Myths about Indulgences - Read to the end and you will see the scripture quoted. On Catholic Answers website. Explains what it ISN’T.

Primer on Indulgences - Explains what it IS. Scripture throughout.

More if you want, from the Catholic Answers search

As for no salvation outside of the Church, it is true, ONCE you understand that we believe that Christ IS the Church. We can ONLY be saved through Christ and if, as we believe, Christ is the Church, a person could only be saved through the Church.

Christ = the Church
Only way to heaven through Christ
Only way to heaven is through the Church

There is LOTS of teaching on this, again, with scripture.

Here is a link to an article that might help, again, lots of scripture. No Salvation Outside the Church

I have often said on this said if you show me one doctrine of the CAtholic Church that contradicts scripture, I will leave it forever. I am still here. The Catholic Church is more “biblical” than any “bible believing” church I have ever been to, or studied.

You don’t have to give up you firm belief in scripture. You just need to understand the proper interpretation of it.

God Bless,
Maria
 
To Seek–I do want to respond to you however I don’t have time today…I’m having my marriage convalidated after the evening Mass tonight. 😃 So more to come…

God Bless!
What a wonderful journey you’ve been on, Annabelle! It would be interesting to hear how you came back home. 🙂
 
If Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and The Life… why does the RC interpret that as meaning the RC is the way, the truth and the life? . . .
Seek, that isn’t the Church’s understanding of Our Lord’s words. This article might help you better understand the Church’s union with her Bridegroom:

bringyou.to/apologetics/a45.htm

The other articles on the website might also prove helpful to your understanding.
 
As a former fundamentalist, I can tell you I “came to terms” with it because the doctrine of the Catholic Church is scriptural.

Purgatory- What it is and what it isn’t. It ISN’T a second chance at heaven. When you die you are destined for heaven or hell. Not a second chance for repentance.

What it is?

1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name *Purgatory *to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:
Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611 606 Cf. Council of Florence (1439):DS 1304; Council of Trent (1563):DS 1820; (1547):1580; see also Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336):DS 1000.
607 Cf. 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7.
608 St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4,39:PL 77,396; cf. Mt 12:31.
609 2 Macc 12:46.
610 Cf. Council of Lyons II (1274):DS 856.
611 St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in 1 Cor. 41,5:PG 61,361; cf. Job 1:5

If you believe you are perfect in heaven with no desire to sin, but aren’t perfect yet even though you love Christ and are saved by His blood, you believe in purgatory. Catholics have a name for the change that takes place through CHrist’s saving blood. We call it purgatory. Read the bible references

Indulgences - There are some great little “primers” about indulgences too. I will just put the links in, since I don’t know what “part” of indulgences you think are unbiblical. What people THINK indulgences are is unbiblical, the ABUSE of indulgences was unbiblical, but indulgences themselves are not.

Myths about Indulgences - Read to the end and you will see the scripture quoted. On Catholic Answers website. Explains what it ISN’T.

Primer on Indulgences - Explains what it IS. Scripture throughout.

More if you want, from the Catholic Answers search

As for no salvation outside of the Church, it is true, ONCE you understand that we believe that Christ IS the Church. We can ONLY be saved through Christ and if, as we believe, Christ is the Church, a person could only be saved through the Church.

Christ = the Church
Only way to heaven through Christ
Only way to heaven is through the Church

There is LOTS of teaching on this, again, with scripture.

Here is a link to an article that might help, again, lots of scripture. No Salvation Outside the Church

I have often said on this said if you show me one doctrine of the CAtholic Church that contradicts scripture, I will leave it forever. I am still here. The Catholic Church is more “biblical” than any “bible believing” church I have ever been to, or studied.

You don’t have to give up you firm belief in scripture. You just need to understand the proper interpretation of it.

God Bless,
Maria
Thank you Maria for taking the time and effort to provide me with some useful information. I confess I struggled with some concepts but I can grasp that I have had no understanding whatsoever even though I spent many years as a Rc, and Im going back for a second try.I take heart that those who seek shall find, hence my name, to seek. It probably would be of use to me, to go to a catechism class as well. 👍
 
Thank you Maria for taking the time and effort to provide me with some useful information. I confess I struggled with some concepts but I can grasp that I have had no understanding whatsoever even though I spent many years as a Rc, and Im going back for a second try.I take heart that those who seek shall find, hence my name, to seek. It probably would be of use to me, to go to a catechism class as well. 👍
Excellent! You ought to learn first about the faith before you leave it!
 
Thank you Maria for taking the time and effort to provide me with some useful information. I confess I struggled with some concepts but I can grasp that I have had no understanding whatsoever even though I spent many years as a Rc, and Im going back for a second try.I take heart that those who seek shall find, hence my name, to seek. It probably would be of use to me, to go to a catechism class as well. 👍
Of all the posts I’ve seen on Catholic Answers, this is my absolute favorite.

Welcome back, brother/sister in Christ! :clapping:
 
Thank you Maria for taking the time and effort to provide me with some useful information. I confess I struggled with some concepts but I can grasp that I have had no understanding whatsoever even though I spent many years as a Rc, and Im going back for a second try.I take heart that those who seek shall find, hence my name, to seek. It probably would be of use to me, to go to a catechism class as well. 👍
Welcome:)

I was kind of lucky. While baptized as an infant Catholic, I was not raised much after age 4. People would always ask or tell me what catholics believed, things that would mean catholics are contrary to scripture and not christian. When I finally started to look for myself so I wouldn’t feel so stupid, I found that in every case, the former catholic or well meaning christian was wrong.

I vividly remember when I was at the point that I had accepted that the Catholic church was Christ’s church even though I did not have all the answers to my questions and just took a leap of faith. One of my questions was confession. When I talked to people I heard a lot about how only a priest could, responsibility etc. It bothered me but I was walking in faith. Finally I pulled out the catechism and looked it up along with the scripture to go along with it. Confeession instituted by Christ, with a priest, right there in scripture!! (John 20:21 23) And so beautiful that God first breathed on man to give him his soul in genesis and then again, God incarnate breathes on man to give the means to clean our soul!

Anyway, I am a Catholic who still loves to “find it in the bible”. The Catholic church is the most biblical church around. Nothing to come to terms with, just proper understanding of that scripture!

May the Holy Spirit lead you and guide you
Maria
 
How did you come to terms then with the simple teachings of Bible believers and all the theology of the RC Church particularly regarding stuff like purgatory, indulgences and the no salvation outside RC? If Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and The Life… why does the RC interpret that as meaning the RC is the way, the truth and the life? I am liking going back to the RC because it is solid, but I struggle with some of the teachings as I always did. I wonder how you reconciled your differences?:confused:
Well–I have not yet been confirmed.:o I will got to RCIA classes in the fall and deal with some of those issues then. I look at it as an honor to learn my faith as an adult. But I have had to reconcile to purgatory somewhat in forgiveness for my mother…who passed away last July. I can’t say I totally disagree with it. I will work through it in RCIA and ask the Holy Spirit to help me see the truth.

But for me…those are minor. The biggest thing for me is what the Catholic Church believes that other religions or Protestantism do not believe. So–if I was to leave over–lets say indulgences…where would I go? Because I do believe…

In the Real Presence. This makes all the difference in the world to me. It was taught by the apostles and the early church.

In Mass…this is really a glimpse of heaven here on earth. I’m currently reading the Lamb’s Supper by Scott Hahn and it is really eye opening. Mass to me is not about who is doing what and what is sooo and sooo doing going to communion. It’s about worshiping God…in communion with the Body of Christ.

I do agree that Mass attendence is important and that it is a mortal sin to miss…because it turns you away from God…and you can not do the same thing at home.

Really the rest of it is small details that I will reconcile or submit to. I am a smart person–Summa Cum Laude in my undergraduate…but I recognize that there are people that are smarter then me who have words of wisdom. I also recognize that there are times when I need to divorce myself and submit to Rome. I don’t have a problem with it because I see where going my own way and doing my own thing…having my own interpretation…has gotten me. It HAS NOT gotten me closer to God. Only in submission have I come close to the fullness of Christ.

Only in the Catholic church have I heard some much from the Word of God, heard so much about our Lord Jesus Christ, and seen so much reverence. It is where I am meant to be. I am just sorry that it took me so long to come home:(

May God Bless you in your search!
 
Hi guys, thanks for your feedback. When I look over my time spent in Protestant Churches I learned some good things, but I missed a whole lot of stuff in the RC so even with the doubts and questions I raise here the road has wound back to the RC. Overtime I hope I get to understand more fully what I really didnt understand in the first place, so the journey contines. To seek.👍
 
Hi guys, thanks for your feedback. When I look over my time spent in Protestant Churches I learned some good things, but I missed a whole lot of stuff in the RC so even with the doubts and questions I raise here the road has wound back to the RC. Overtime I hope I get to understand more fully what I really didnt understand in the first place, so the journey contines. To seek.👍
Welcome Home!
 
Hi, MariaG.,

What a really wonderful post… 🙂 Thank you for the links.

God bless

Tom
As a former fundamentalist, I can tell you I “came to terms” with it because the doctrine of the Catholic Church is scriptural.

Purgatory- What it is and what it isn’t. It ISN’T a second chance at heaven. When you die you are destined for heaven or hell. Not a second chance for repentance.

What it is?

1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name *Purgatory *to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:
Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611 606 Cf. Council of Florence (1439):DS 1304; Council of Trent (1563):DS 1820; (1547):1580; see also Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336):DS 1000.
607 Cf. 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7.
608 St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4,39:PL 77,396; cf. Mt 12:31.
609 2 Macc 12:46.
610 Cf. Council of Lyons II (1274):DS 856.
611 St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in 1 Cor. 41,5:PG 61,361; cf. Job 1:5

If you believe you are perfect in heaven with no desire to sin, but aren’t perfect yet even though you love Christ and are saved by His blood, you believe in purgatory. Catholics have a name for the change that takes place through CHrist’s saving blood. We call it purgatory. Read the bible references

Indulgences - There are some great little “primers” about indulgences too. I will just put the links in, since I don’t know what “part” of indulgences you think are unbiblical. What people THINK indulgences are is unbiblical, the ABUSE of indulgences was unbiblical, but indulgences themselves are not.

Myths about Indulgences - Read to the end and you will see the scripture quoted. On Catholic Answers website. Explains what it ISN’T.

Primer on Indulgences - Explains what it IS. Scripture throughout.

More if you want, from the Catholic Answers search

As for no salvation outside of the Church, it is true, ONCE you understand that we believe that Christ IS the Church. We can ONLY be saved through Christ and if, as we believe, Christ is the Church, a person could only be saved through the Church.

Christ = the Church
Only way to heaven through Christ
Only way to heaven is through the Church

There is LOTS of teaching on this, again, with scripture.

Here is a link to an article that might help, again, lots of scripture. No Salvation Outside the Church

I have often said on this said if you show me one doctrine of the CAtholic Church that contradicts scripture, I will leave it forever. I am still here. The Catholic Church is more “biblical” than any “bible believing” church I have ever been to, or studied.

You don’t have to give up you firm belief in scripture. You just need to understand the proper interpretation of it.

God Bless,
Maria
 
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