Where did you ever learn this?
Hearing this makes me feel bad for those Christians that lived for the first 400+ years of Christendom before the Bible as we know it existed. They must have been pretty lost without the directions. And what about the next 1100 years in which the Bible was unavailable to the average Christian? I sure do have pity on their souls. They must have been lost too. Or maybe the Bible isn’t our only compass…
that is a very good starting point. Why does the Catholic Church claim to possess the fullness of truth? You are quite right not to accept the claim until you understand where it comes from. If you are a Catholic it is your baptismal calling to understand that truth and to proclaim it, and to continue to grow in faith through prayer and study until you can do so, and to spend your life proclaiming and witnessing to the gospel.
It’s really not that hard at all to see that the Catholic Church of today is the same Church as the Early Church. Any objective examination will lead you to that conclusion unless you have a vested interest in denying such a thing.
You tell me. What do you think? Do you think that we even need the Church? Isn’t Jesus all we need?
Please define what you mean by “religion.” I hope you’re not one of those religion vs. relationship folks. Also, Satan and his minions believe in God. (James 2:19) They accept that Jesus is Lord and Savior. Do you really think that that’s all we need to do? Also, what do you mean when you say “common belief”? How much can we hold in common and how much can we disagree on? By what standards are you determining these things?
Well, now that we’re on a biblical scavenger hunt, I’d like to see where you can find the words “abortion is murder”, “Jesus is God”, “Trinity”, “Christianity is about relationship”, “Christianity is not a religion”, “we don’t need the Church”, “all you need to do is believe in God”, “the Bible is our set of directions”, “accept Jesus into your heart as ‘personal Lord and Savior’”, “there is no True Church”, "Catholics are in error in their beliefs"and “unity is more important than sound doctrine.” I could go on and on. Don’t forget that they all must be present in the same book, paragraph, and/or sentence.
Denial is an ugly thing. I’m not in denial, I’m simply asking questions that you can’t seem to answer.
You tell me. What do you think? Do you think that we even need the Church? Isn’t Jesus all we need?
That’s funny! It’s so absurd that it’s funny. That was never my point. I’m tired of going round and round in circles over this. We’re getting no where and I’m tired of repeating.
You classify me AGAIN and therefore proved my point. I’m done talking to you because you are insistent on consistently passing judgement on me when I have refrained from doing so to you.
:yawn: I asked you first.Well, now that we’re on a biblical scavenger hunt, I’d like to see where you can find the words “abortion is murder”, “Jesus is God”, “Trinity”, “Christianity is about relationship”, “Christianity is not a religion”, “we don’t need the Church”, “all you need to do is believe in God”, “the Bible is our set of directions”, “accept Jesus into your heart as ‘personal Lord and Savior’”, “there is no True Church”, "Catholics are in error in their beliefs"and “unity is more important than sound doctrine.” I could go on and on. Don’t forget that they all must be present in the same book, paragraph, and/or sentence.
Thank you for your post! I will look into it more.
Such as?
Maybe I should take the Latin approach to all of this? It makes since when I find out the meaning of the Catholic termenology, like the Eucharist. Do you know where I can find that stuff? I’m very curious.Hello again, Mrs. A;
Rest assured your response is taken well; it’s fun talking with you.
Others have posted more since I’ve been here, showing some early sources that talk about the early Christian (Catholic) church, so I won’t tack those on. But one could look at the writings on the other beliefs of the Church in the early times, and lo and behold the beliefs are the ones that the Catholic church teaches today:
St. Ignatius (110 AD): They [heretics] abstain from Eucharist and from prayer, because they do no confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ…"
And regarding the Eucharist specifically, no doubt you’re familiar enough with the fact that the word “Trinity” is not in Scripture. Yet of course Christians believe in the concept. Even though Jesus didn’t say at the Last Supper, “Hey, I’m giving you this thing called Eucharist,” the word is simply the Catholic church’s way of describing what Jesus did do (Gk eucharistein, to give thanks). And to Protestants, the Eucharist may just be something “that Catholics do,” and we can talk about this for a good while. But it is noteworthy that it’s during the Last Supper that that was the only time in Jesus’ ministry that he mentions the covenant. As you know, the covenant is God’s way of swearing oaths with us and binding us all as (yep, you guessed it) one.
This may be true, but as a Catholic, I need not find all of those things in the Bible. Catholics do not believe in the Bible alone. However, as a Protestant (correct me if I’m wrong, I’m assuming you are Protestant), your rule of faith is the Bible alone, so the burden of proof is on you.
Forget it. You’re right and I’m wrong. Does that make you happy? You seem insistent to get the last word in so I’m letting you. I will continue this discussion with others here. You answered my question about “What’s Wrong with Being Christian” several times with degrading posts and answers and not to mention LOTS of unnecessary labeling. You judge me when you don’t even know me.
Well, whether you like it or not, I’m not leaving.Forget it. You’re right and I’m wrong. Does that make you happy? You seem insistent to get the last word in so I’m letting you. I will continue this discussion with others here. You answered my question about “What’s Wrong with Being Christian” several times with degrading posts and answers and not to mention LOTS of unnecessary labeling. You judge me when you don’t even know me.
May you learn that hypocrites condemned Jesus to die on the cross and they were the most righteous people in the world.
I hope that that last sentence of yours wasn’t a judgment. 
This is how I feel about “the Church.” The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15). Jesus Christ is Truth (John 14:6), so the Church is the pillar and foundation of Christ. Likewise, Jesus is the foundation of the Church (1 Cor. 3:11). We also know that Jesus made the Apostles the foundation of His Church (Eph. 2:20) for when He would ascend into Heaven. He appointed Peter to head this Apostolic group (Matt. 16:18). He also said that if we don’t listen to the Church that we should be considered heathens (Matt. 18:17). Considering all that, we must listen to the Church or otherwise we’d be disobeying Christ.
As others have already said - and very well - there is nothing “wrong with being a Christian”, but since Jesus established a Church which contains the fullness of His Revelation it is only right to be be faithful to Him and thus try to urge those who are non-Catholic Christians to take the further step into the fullness of His revealed Truth and come into a deeper Communion with Him in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church that He established.
Thanks for your opinion. It’s been noted.
Hello Mrs. A.;
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