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at9009
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Pediatricians often have patients up to age 21 until they transition to an adult PCP. I believe 21 is viewed as the end cut off and most transition between 18 and 21.
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Okay.
Maybe in the emdia, they’re relatively new.
But, someone could say, in the real world, “they were there all along.”
My aunt’s ex-husband’s brother was LGBT when we were kids. We knew about him but didn’t know he was LGBT and even the adults in the family who thought he might be didn’t talk about it.
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1inICXC
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I am saying that protecting my children’s innocence is my number 1 responsibility. I am and will be held accountable on judgement day, before my relationship with anyone else, for my children! My children’s innocence goes way ahead of the feelings or attitudes any adult relative or friend would wish to elicit from me.
I moved continents to get away from this culture. We are blessed to be living in a city where I’ve never seen a ss couple and therefore never had to answer any questions. You bet as heck I would be willing to move continents until I am out of options to shield my children from these perversities. But I am not just running away, my husband and I are spending ourselves daily trying to provide our children with the healthiest and best moral upbringing that we can. We are teaching them about love and purity, about the beauty of marriage and relationships, about the importance of living in God’s law, even if it is painful and it requires sacrifice… So what if in 5 years from now one of our older children will discover she/he has ssa, despite ALL our efforts. Well I will be hoping and expecting them to live pure, chaste, sacrificial celibate or married lives without flaunting their finding…much as what I would be expecting from my straight children.
In the meantime, people around us can feel free to feel whatever they want, but they may not act on it or talk about it. If that’s not fine with them, I’m sure they’ll be willingly removing themselves from our presence and we will be the “shunned” ones"
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1inICXC
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I am saying that protecting my children’s innocence is my number 1 responsibility. I am and will be held accountable on judgement day, before my relationship with anyone else, for my children! My children’s innocence goes way ahead of the feelings or attitudes any adult relative or friend would wish to elicit from me.
I moved continents to get away from this culture. We are blessed to be living in a city where I’ve never seen a ss couple and therefore never had to answer any questions. You bet as heck I would be willing to move continents until I am out of options to shield my children from these perversities. But I am not just running away, my husband and I are spending ourselves daily trying to provide our children with the healthiest and best moral upbringing that we can. We are teaching them about love and purity, about the beauty of marriage and relationships, about the importance of living in God’s law, even if it is painful and it requires sacrifice… So what if in 5 years from now one of our older children will discover she/he has ssa, despite ALL our efforts. Well I will be hoping and expecting them to live pure, chaste, sacrificial celibate or married lives without flaunting their finding…much as what I would be expecting from my straight children.
In the meantime, people around us can feel free to feel whatever they want, but they may not act on it or talk about it. If that’s not fine with them, I’m sure they’ll be willingly removing themselves from our presence and we will be the “shunned” ones"
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edwest2
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edwest2
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Well, I knew a family friend who came out as gay later in life. I knew him as a boy but after that, I had no idea where he moved to or anything.
Yes, as a boy, I knew LGBT persons were there all along but I was not subjected to the constant media affirmation program that is going on right now.
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Phemie
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Let’s put it this way: my 12 year old daughter figured out her uncle was gay before I did. When she learned about ‘gay’ I have no idea. I remember finding out about homosexuality when I was in grade 7 or 8 back in the mid 60s.
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tseleehw
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I haven’t read all of the responses in this thread, but here is my opinion on the matter.
In my opinion, I would teach a child about LGBT issues as early as possible, to the appropriate extent given their age. The main thing to teach them is the Church’s moral teachings on same-sex relationships and why they are wrong. You do not need to get into the sexual, graphic details. You can expand upon those as they age and understand and question more about sex. But giving a child a firm understanding of why they are wrong, from a young age, is critical if they are to grow up to respect and adhere to Church teachings on this matter. Nowadays, kids are bombarded from all sides, in the media, in school, about homosexuality and how it is “normal” and “acceptable”. They may have friends or teachers that try to influence them in school. Unless your child is homeschooled and under your constant 24/7 supervision, you will not be able to control all of the information they receive on this topic.
The bottom line is, if you don’t teach your child about these issues as soon as possible, someone else will. And they won’t teach them anything based on Church teachings, which means your child may never agree with the Church on this matter.
In my opinion, I would teach a child about LGBT issues as early as possible, to the appropriate extent given their age. The main thing to teach them is the Church’s moral teachings on same-sex relationships and why they are wrong. You do not need to get into the sexual, graphic details. You can expand upon those as they age and understand and question more about sex. But giving a child a firm understanding of why they are wrong, from a young age, is critical if they are to grow up to respect and adhere to Church teachings on this matter. Nowadays, kids are bombarded from all sides, in the media, in school, about homosexuality and how it is “normal” and “acceptable”. They may have friends or teachers that try to influence them in school. Unless your child is homeschooled and under your constant 24/7 supervision, you will not be able to control all of the information they receive on this topic.
The bottom line is, if you don’t teach your child about these issues as soon as possible, someone else will. And they won’t teach them anything based on Church teachings, which means your child may never agree with the Church on this matter.
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Joe_5859
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I’m curious, for those who are advocating telling children about LGBT issues as soon as possible, do any of you have children of your own and have you had such conversations with them?
My daughter is 9 and I can’t imagine bringing up the subject at this stage in the game. It would be nonsensical to her and very confusing if I just started talking about men wanting to marry other men or men who think they are really women trapped in men’s bodies and they’re all wrong about it, but we still treat them with love.
The age appropriate way to do things for her would be to talk about what marriage is, and what it means to love our neighbor. Those are the general principles that get applied in these situations.
I’m curious what it would actually look like to have a conversation with an 8 year old (or younger) about these topics. It’s fine to talk theoretically, but I’d really like to hear from anyone who has actually had such a conversation with their child.
My daughter is 9 and I can’t imagine bringing up the subject at this stage in the game. It would be nonsensical to her and very confusing if I just started talking about men wanting to marry other men or men who think they are really women trapped in men’s bodies and they’re all wrong about it, but we still treat them with love.
The age appropriate way to do things for her would be to talk about what marriage is, and what it means to love our neighbor. Those are the general principles that get applied in these situations.
I’m curious what it would actually look like to have a conversation with an 8 year old (or younger) about these topics. It’s fine to talk theoretically, but I’d really like to hear from anyone who has actually had such a conversation with their child.
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mommy_k
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Sorry about misleading, I was actually blending some things together in my thinking. The legal matter would a doctor hiding from me the fact that he/she talked to my child about sex and/or drug use. THAT is perfectly legal and is part of HIPPA depending on what state you live in.
Thank you–i thought I was perhaps doing something illegal by going in with my sons…
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edwest2
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Kids in kindergarten are getting books like King and King. So, the parents are being pushed out of the conversation.
amazon.com/King-Linda-Haan/dp/1582460612
Read the first review.
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pianistclare
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The problem is, that when we “discuss” it and make a huge deal of it, we show tacit approval. We don’t approve.
We care about people, and we wish them well, and we hope and pray that they do not engage in illicit and immoral relations. Where they be gay or straight or whatever.
But there is NO reason to bring this up with small children. It’s abusive, and confusing to them. NO child should have to sort out these ideas in their head.
Catholic parents are not obligated to dance to a secular theme or tune.
Pushing this agenda and making it out like Catholics are ignorant and intolerant monsters is reprehensible.
Threads like this don’t illuminate. They accuse.
We care about people, and we wish them well, and we hope and pray that they do not engage in illicit and immoral relations. Where they be gay or straight or whatever.
But there is NO reason to bring this up with small children. It’s abusive, and confusing to them. NO child should have to sort out these ideas in their head.
Catholic parents are not obligated to dance to a secular theme or tune.
Pushing this agenda and making it out like Catholics are ignorant and intolerant monsters is reprehensible.
Threads like this don’t illuminate. They accuse.
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Rau
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In my experience, doctors slways have a small examination bed/table with a curtain.
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Rau
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Interesting. They “bypass” their family doctor (GP) and go to the pediatrician? Do they need a referral from the GP for that, and do they generally pay out of pocket? A specialist visit where I live is usually a few hundred dollars out of pocket but GP can be $0 or low tens out of pocket.
I wonder what proportion of those visits get “all clear”?
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1990Domer
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Yes, a pediatrician is basically a GP for children. And our yearly well-checks are also free. I think I went to a pediatrician until I was about 16, and then I went to the GP my parents went to. My husband went to a pediatrician until he left for college.
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Rau
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Ok. I’m not in the US, and here, pediatrics is a specialty, you need to be referred by your GP, and they charge like specialists!
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at9009
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So to clarify, after medical school in the us, a person can enter a 3 year pediatric residency. After completion they can work as the pediatric doctor that acts more or less like a primary care provider to children or as a hospitalist say at a children’s hospital . Additionally they could do a fellowship to subspecialize say in pediatric cardiology or something (typically an additional 3 years of training). For the cardiologist you would need a referral but in general doctors eother specialize in care of children or adults (surgeons are a bit different I think but there are pediatric surgery fellowships)
A person who does a family Medicine residency I believe csn do primary care for both adults and children but I could be wrong.
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AClaire11
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Now that we’ve cleared that up, let’s stick to the topic 
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ToeInTheWater
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No, I certainly did not mean to imply that everyone posting on this topic is nasty, prejudiced, or stupid. I actually find most of the posts to be reasonable.
I do admit that I have been shocked in the past by some comments I have read on CAF that seem to go against the “hate the sin, love the sinner” ideal. Such as a poster stating, in response to the question “what would you do if your child came out as gay” that they would “beat them, beat them, beat them”. But it is true that pretty much everyone else in that topic did NOT agree with such an extreme statement.
I’ve also been frustrated by posters who have been very uncharitable to Pope Francis as well as Bishops regarding some of their comments about SSA, or sexual sin in general. I’ve also been frustrated to see some SSA posters discuss experiences of cruel behavior directed toward them and being shot down, essentially accused of making things up in service of the “gay agenda”. The most recent example was directed at a poster who stated she was gay but chaste.
However, it was unfair of me to take that experience and generalize it to the posters on this particular topic.
Would you expect or your child to reveal SSA to you? Or would you expect them to keep it to themselves and never tell anyone about it?
Anyway…one of the general concepts I do agree with is that parents need to have these discussions with their children before others do. I also agree that it depends a lot on the child’s environment as well as the maturity of the child, when the best age is. It seems (maybe I should make a poll to be more sure) that most posters here think 12-13 is the best age. I know edwest mentioned age 15, but I think most kids would already have heard about LGBT issues by then. From my own experiences, I do think most 9-10 year olds could handle it. But I do live in a fairly “progressive” part of the country, so maybe that doesn’t apply to more conservative regions.
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