Where are all the large Catholic families?

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… And from my understanding it’s OK to sleep with your wife, but is it only acceptible if you’re expecting to have a child?
No, that’s the Monty Python caricature version.

The catholic teaching (tremendously abbreviated) is that God made sex, marriage and babies intertwined topics such that all three are ordered to word together towards bringing Grace to the couple. Grace we all desperately need to survive life’s troubles. But when human beings attempt to divide these three things (sex, marriage and babies) into separate and unrelated subjects, only tragedy comes of it. The couple is perfectly free to enjoy the physical intimacy of marriage during times God made infertile. But it does a real and substantial damage to the gift of sexuality to attempt to take a time God made fertile and sterilize it.

See the difference? Most don’t, honestly. It’s one of those things that becomes clear once you experience it.
 
No, that’s the Monty Python caricature version.

The catholic teaching (tremendously abbreviated) is that God made sex, marriage and babies intertwined topics such that all three are ordered to word together towards bringing Grace to the couple. Grace we all desperately need to survive life’s troubles. But when human beings attempt to divide these three things (sex, marriage and babies) into separate and unrelated subjects, only tragedy comes of it. The couple is perfectly free to enjoy the physical intimacy of marriage during times God made infertile. But it does a real and substantial damage to the gift of sexuality to attempt to take a time God made fertile and sterilize it.

See the difference? Most don’t, honestly. It’s one of those things that becomes clear once you experience it.
Excellent answer!
 
Us Us Us … we have 11 kids – 17 to 11 mos. We are exceptionally blessed and while it’s a struggle, it’s the most righteous struggle and most enjoyable struggle of our lives. 🙂

Pax Christi
Susie
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Us Us Us … we have 11 kids – 17 to 11 mos. We are exceptionally blessed and while it’s a struggle, it’s the most righteous struggle and most enjoyable struggle of our lives. 🙂

Pax Christi
Susie
www.kelloggshow.com
 
My wife and I are in our 40s and are happy to be blessed with more children! I work in a hospital and plenty of women in their 40s and early 50s deliver healthy babies on a daily basis!
 
So… Where ARE all the big Catholic families? My wife and I are converts and continue to enjoy new additions to our family(#8 coming) but there are no large families to speak of in our local parishes. We live near Porterville, CA but are willing to relocate if there are some communities out there that embrace life!
 
So… Where ARE all the big Catholic families? My wife and I are converts and continue to enjoy new additions to our family(#8 coming) but there are no large families to speak of in our local parishes. We live near Porterville, CA but are willing to relocate if there are some communities out there that embrace life!
We have plenty of beautiful large and small families in our OF parish.

I wonder if sometimes, you don’t see the large families all together because they “split up” Masses, with Dad taking some of the children to Mass while Mom stays home, and then Mom goes with the other children while Dad stays home. Or perhaps when one child is sick, perhaps the whole family stays home because they don’t wish to take a chance that they might be contagious and spread “germs” to older parishioners.

We don’t always see the large families in the parish schools because to save costs, some large families choose to homeschool rather than attend the parish schools.

Keep in mind that in today’s economy, many parents simply cannot afford to care for more than a few children. Yes, some of you are excellent at economizing and living on pennies, but not everyone is able to do that. Money woes are one of the major factors in troubled marriages.

Also, it’s amazing how many couples are unable to conceive. We take fertility for granted, but not everyone is so blessed.

I think we should respect each couple’s decision about family size and never judge their spirituality or the spirituality of their parish by how many children are in the family.
 
Many are also delaying marriage until late 20’s-early 30’s. I think this may also contribute. I have a friend who had one, then secondary infertility (her mother was unable to bear children around 35 as well, early onset menopause).

I think things like this happen a lot more often than people realize.
 
Many are also delaying marriage until late 20’s-early 30’s. I think this may also contribute. I have a friend who had one, then secondary infertility (her mother was unable to bear children around 35 as well, early onset menopause).

I think things like this happen a lot more often than people realize.
I agree. So sad. We take so much for granted.
 
So… Where ARE all the big Catholic families? My wife and I are converts and continue to enjoy new additions to our family(#8 coming) but there are no large families to speak of in our local parishes. We live near Porterville, CA but are willing to relocate if there are some communities out there that embrace life!
(You might want to change your location, on this site. It says Germany)

Around here 8 wouldn’t be a big deal. We have a number of families with 8 (or 9) children. 🤷

Ten might get some glances, but only if they were all still young and all 12 of you went to Mass together and sat together.
 
This is an issue that is between God and each couple. No one has a right to speculate or judge or condemn anyone for the decision that is made between them and the Lord.

There are plenty of grave reasons why couples do not have larger families. It’s amazing how many couples honestly can’t have more children, even though they are open to life. I know several young couples who have been unsuccessful, and are consulting with the Pope Paul Institute to figure out their fertility. I agree that late marriage may have something to do with it. People have a lot of misconceptions about fertility, assuming that all people are fertile. Schools do not teach proper biology about fertility, and popular media perpetuates a lot of the incorrect teachings by stating that women can get pregnant at any time of the month.

I think that people with large families have to be careful not to become prideful or boastful. They have been blessed by God. He gives a man and a woman the ability to have children.

I attend a large, rather modern Catholic parish, and there are plenty of families with 4 or more children, and quite a few with 8 or more. So this is not a “traditional” Catholic thing–modern Catholics also have large families. We also have several families in our parish who have adopted large families.

I converted from evangelical Protestantism, and it is definitely becoming the norm for evangelical Protestants to have large families. The pastor of our church and his wife had 10 children (two were deceased). The associate pastor had 7 children. The leading family (money, time, church offices held) had 8 children. My best friend in the church had 6 children. There were other families in the church that I didn’t know personally who had large families. In evangelical magazines and denominational publications, there have been several key articles about the value of children and why Christians need to consider having large families. So it’s not just a “Catholic” thing, either.

One thing that no one has mentioned so far is the cost of having children these days. I agree that children do not need to grow up figure skating or attending a private prep school, which is what my two children had. I have absolutely no problem with families who give their children the bare basics of life (food, shelter, warmth, 2nd hand clothing, home-based recreational opportunities, only the basic health care that is provided by the health department, etc.)

But many couples, due to the state of our economy, or bad educational choices on their part, or just bad luck in the job market, are unable to even provide the basics to themselves, let alone children.

I have a problem when couples continue to have children, but cannot pay the health-care costs for the pregnancies and deliveries, and cannot provide the basics for the children, but instead, feed, house, and provide health care to those children through long-term government aid. I do not believe that these people are justified to continue to have biological children. I’m not sure that this is God’s plan–to have children and force others to care for them.

I think that most of the people in the U.S. are quite hostile toward this practice, and IMO, this could pose a risk to these families and their children. I believe that such couples could lose their children, as the government that they have come to rely on can turn on them and take their children away and place them in foster homes that can provide the basic needs. I would support this practice, as I hate to see children who are suffering due to lack of basic food, warmth, clothing, shelter, or health care.

I think that we will eventually see laws that require sterilization for couples who continue to have “welfare babies.” Yes, forced sterilization is immoral, but forcing others to pay for your children to have decent care is also wrong.

If such a couple has a church or parish that will willingly help them to provide for their large family, then that’s OK. But many parishes balk at providing for children of parents who are unemployable, unless the unemployment has been caused by hardship such as injury, on-going illness (such as cancer), weather disasters (tornado, flood, etc.), or some other tragedy. If a couple has made poor choices earlier in life that led to their unemployability, then I believe a parish should shut the purse and tell the couple to wait to have children until they are in a place where they can care for them without aid. A parish would do well to provide such a couple with educational resources and scholarships for them to attend trade school, community college, or enter an apprenticeship.
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Thanks for the wise and rational post.
 
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Thanks for the wise and rational post.
This is such a deeply intimate subject that this thread makes me feel uncomfortable. It wasn’t that long ago in Quebec when the parish priest would make his annual visits to the home, and you had to have a pretty good reason for the wife to not either be pregnant or having just given birth. I really hope we never go back to that and I sincerely hope nobody here judges any couple based on the number of children they have.
 
This is such a deeply intimate subject that this thread makes me feel uncomfortable. It wasn’t that long ago in Quebec when the parish priest would make his annual visits to the home,** and you had to have a pretty good reason for the wife to not either be pregnant or having just given birth.** I really hope we never go back to that and I sincerely hope nobody here judges any couple based on the number of children they have.
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I am guessing that the priest wasn’t a doctor as well. So even if someone explained, let’s say the inner workings of the female reproductive system, he wouldn’t understand.

That is awful. I am with you, I hope no one ever has to deal with a priest like that.

I can tell you, though, from experience, that people do judge you based on the number of children you have. 😦 I just have never had to deal with it from a priest. 👍
 
I am young but I do not want more than two children if I have any. If I had a large family I feel the children would be CONSTANTLY trying to get my attention and would feel unwanted/unloved if I could not attend to them. I don’t think that is fair and that is how bitterness is bred between parent and child. Perhaps I am wrong, maybe the scenario I described is not true but at least the way I see it it seems about right.
 
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I am guessing that the priest wasn’t a doctor as well. So even if someone explained, let’s say the inner workings of the female reproductive system, he wouldn’t understand.

That is awful. I am with you, I hope no one ever has to deal with a priest like that.

I can tell you, though, from experience, that people do judge you based on the number of children you have. 😦 I just have never had to deal with it from a priest. 👍
The only place/instance where I’ve ever seen anyone judge anyone else based on something as superficial as # of children, is on this website.
 
I am a member of a 5 child family (with 4-5 angels in heaven ) including me and it is not unusual where I live that Catholics have more than 7-18 kids so my family is rather smallish compared to the others.

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The only place/instance where I’ve ever seen anyone judge anyone else based on something as superficial as # of children, is on this website.
It seems to happen more when I am around large families. I have been asked more than once why we don’t have more than one child.
 
I am young but I do not want more than two children if I have any. If I had a large family I feel the children would be CONSTANTLY trying to get my attention and would feel unwanted/unloved if I could not attend to them. I don’t think that is fair and that is how bitterness is bred between parent and child. Perhaps I am wrong, maybe the scenario I described is not true but at least the way I see it it seems about right.
Ah…but one’s love is not divided, it is multiplied! 🙂
 
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