Where is the Catholic outrage over recent American immigration policies?

[Cruciferi]

I say return America to the land of promise… process the immigrants for goodness sake… we did it with ease a hundred years ago… return to the system that worked

You’re referring to Legal Immigration. My grandparents LEGALLY IMMIGRATED. You do understand that people were turned away back then too?

 

[Pup7]

So “The New Colossus” was written in 1883; Ellis Island was opened in 1892; the Statue of Liberty was erected on nearby Bedloe’s Island in 1886.

Emma Lazarus wrote that after working with Eastern European Jewish refugees from the anti-Semitic pogroms.

Refugees who legally sought asylum in the US, and were granted it.

She wasn’t envisioning illegal immigration when she wrote it. I always find the quoting of it a bit ironic in that regard.

Also - it didn’t even do what she’d hoped it would do - raise money for the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty. What did it was when I believe Pulitzer said he’d print the names of all donors, no matter how small, on the front page of his newspaper.

Yes … a port of massive legal immigration (thousands and thoussnds… tens of thousands)at a time of low technology and far less resources. Now the richest, most privileged nation in the history of the world can’t accommodate the least among us… pretty gross

You do know that some of that “massive immigration” was solely to build the US population, correct? No need to rose-color it by claiming the US government was altruistic in its motives.

They saw potential taxpayers. And cheap labor.

And it actually doesn’t matter. They were processed through entry points and entered…legally.

I’ll feel less emotional about illegal immigration when kids in the US all have coats in the winter and aren’t hungry. I can think of far better places to spend taxpayer dollars.

 

[godisgood77]

The US is not obligated to be the world’s Police or Daycare. We have finite resources and money. These people are fleeing their failed countries and should be helped. However, there’s such a thing as Responsibility and those countries must be held accountable for their failures. It is times such as these that the World Community must intervene to correct the problem.

You’re right… America is not obligated. However, we Catholics are obligated to Christian virtue… ever read the Corporal Works of Mercy?

We are rich and well resourced in America… not even close to tapped… what is your rationale against helping the refugees that are seeking help from the strongest, wealthiest country in the world? Let’s make America great again please… this isn’t it… these are kids on the border separated from their parents… it’s gross

 

[godisgood77]

Oh you heartless monster! So you WOULD place a limit on immigration? Now please define your limit in detail if you please.

Of course… no one, NO ONE, is suggesting unlimited access and no borders… that is a cheap straw man…

I don’t know the limit, but I do know we are far, far from not being able to help families. We are at full employment, so we have plenty of room for workers, our economy is strong so we have economic bandwidth… we have a huge debt as a country so we need tax payers … I don’t see what the issue is frankly… other than the ‘I don’t want more people here’ which doesn’t stand up.

So I guess I’d say there is room.

 

[godisgood77]

You do know that some of that “massive immigration” was solely to build the US population, correct? No need to rose-color it by claiming the US government was altruistic in its motives.

They saw potential taxpayers. And cheap labor.

Yes! And we need tax payers and cheap labor now… last I checked we were at full employment and in massive debt… which the Pres just added a massive amount to through a tax cut package benefiting the very top

 

[Pup7]

which the Pres just added a massive amount to through a tax cut package benefiting the very top

I benefitted quite handsomely from that tax cut, actually. My take home shot up. No withholding changes. And our projected refund next year isn’t dropping much, either.

I’m nowhere near the top. Trust me. So not “just the top” benefitted. A lot of us in the middle did.

As for the rest of it - legal immigration is the answer. Spend money on streamlining that process. Not by granting status to illegals. Dreamers? Yes, all day. But not blatant illegals.

 

[Cruciferi]

However, we Catholics are obligated to Christian virtue… ever read the Corporal Works of Mercy?

I also have an obligation to my country and being a good citizen. We are not in good shape ourselves and we should not allow unrestricted migration.

We are rich and well resourced in America… not even close to tapped… what is your rationale against helping the refugees that are seeking help from the strongest, wealthiest country in the world?

At some point enough is enough! We’re not a Cow with endless milk! Have you seen our National Debt?! We’re not solvent. Worse, we’re literally broke.

We must hold countries accountable for their failures and utilize the UN. I don’t believe we should bear this burden.

Let’s make America great again please… this isn’t it… these are kids on the border separated from their parents… it’s gross

Here’s a solution, create a Safe Zone in Mexico for the refugees and have it administered by the UN.

 

[Theo520]

No, simply Un-American… Tell that to the Italian, polish and Irish migrants or the African slave-migrants…who went a long way toward building this country.

When did America become anti-immigrant?

A nation that forgets its history has no future

It’s about Illegal immigration
Please stop conflating it with Legal Immigration, it’s dishonest

 

[godisgood77]

Please stop conflating it with Legal Immigration, it’s dishonest

I’m not conflating the issues… read my posts… I’m advocating for fixing the process. Processing these refuges should be at least as easy as it was 100+ years ago when we processed thousands and thousands of immigrants. With advancements we’ve made it should be easier, not harder.

 

[Pup7]

Processing these refuges should be at least as easy as it was 100+ years ago when we processed thousands and thousands of immigrants.

The world was a far different place 100+ years ago.

Now you’re putting an early 20th century filter on a 21st century problem. That’s pretty much impossible.

 

[godisgood77]

helping the refugees that are seeking help from the strongest, wealthiest country in the world?

Agreed. Good thing no one is advocating for open borders…

We are at full employment = need workers

We are in great debt = need taxpayers

We are Catholics = need moral actions.

 

[godisgood77]

The world was a far different place 100+ years ago.

Correct… we have made massive advancements and are much, much wealthier now than we were then. Have much greater technology and infrastructure…no reason it should be much harder now.

Again… full employment = need workers, huge dept = need taxpayers…

don’t get the resistance.

 

[Pup7]

The world is not what it was 100 years ago and neither is this country. Increased laws, increased population, rising costs of immigration, logistics, more applicants…

It’s not resistance. I’m married to an immigrant. I have no issues with immigration.

Unless it’s illegal.

 

[Cruciferi]

Unless it’s illegal.

You said that word again. I don’t like it when you use that word… It takes away my ability to argue against you.

Couldn’t we just wish for a solution? Yes, wishing works. I’m comfortable with that!

 

[Pup7]

Mea maxima culpa, my friend.

(bows low)

 

[Cruciferi]

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[Jump4Joy]

The cynicism is hilarious

 

[Loud-living-dogma]

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[Erikaspirit16]

immigration law.

It’s a misdemeanor. No one in their right mind would prosecute it since it would tie up the courts for decades…oh, wait, it already has… But still, the part about “no one in their right mind” is accurate!

No other country does this. We should be proud, right?

 

[Erikaspirit16]

With respect, that’s just not true. If you are asking for asylum, you go to a U.S. embassy or consular office, or go to any port of entry and present yourself to customs officials there. If you do that with kids in tow, you are not separated from them (except in unusual circumstances where the parent is a wanted criminal, etc.)

What news do you watch??? Alternate Facts News?