where is the historical church founded by Jesus Christ?

[CMatt25]

Matt for goodness sakes, where in the SS or OT does it say if you believe in Jesus Christ that is enough. Lord have Mercy, who believed in Jesus more than the devil!

Rinnie, if by SS you include John, then I already posted.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I guess if he did get authority to reform the Church, then from God. Rinnie, no Christian is divided in faith in Christ.

has the Church been reformed in protestantism?

so, just Faith in Christ is what makes us One? where is that in the Bible? show us, please.

 

[Carlan]

Carlan, guess I’m not Protestant enough but what is OSAS?

Well Matt, that,s when you believe,It just happens once in the beginning,when you get slapped on the forehead. Not all Protestants do that but a lot do.Not like we Catholics, you know, we are saved, we are being saved and we hoped to be saved! God bless, Carlan

 

[rinnie]

Well whenever scripture is presented people say this is for the CC. Only can be interperted by those in authority which is the CC. Not so.

Okay then tweety why does scripture say this?

acts 1:20:22 Let someone else take over HIS OFFICE, Out of the MEN who have been WITH US the whoe time that the Lord Jesus was living with us, from the time when John was baptising unil the day when he was taken up from us, ONE MUST BE APPOINTED to serve with us as a witness to his resurrection.

2 Tim 2:2 What you have heard from me, entrust to FAITHFUL TEACHERS.

Do you see what I am saying tweety. THis is a cycle from the beginning of time. IT is a pattern set up by God and confirmed by scripture.

I cannot come in tweety and teach you the truth. It was not passed on to me by Apostolic succession and the laying of hands. Only the CHurch can teach me, and I can only teach you what I have been taught from the Church. Its never my interpretation, and when it is my personal interpretation its wrong. The CHuch wasn’t wrong I misunderstood the Church and must be corrected. Do you see what I say,

That is why when we as Catholics call eachother out. And if we are confused we go to the Church and if the Church says yep you got it wrong. We got it wrong Tweets. BUt if the CHurch says no you are teaching it right, then our other fellow Catholic accepts it also. Do you understand what I am saying?

 

[tweetymom]

Well Matt, that,s when you believe,It just happens once in the beginning,when you get slapped on the forehead. Not all Protestants do that but a lot do.Not like we Catholics, you know, we are saved, we are being saved and we hoped to be saved! God bless, Carlan

I know that we are saved and Jesus continues to refine us, bue it is really sad some think that we still hope to be saved. Kinda goes against scripture. If you believe in the Lord Jesus you have eternal life.

 

[rinnie]

I guess if he did get authority to reform the Church, then from God. Rinnie, no Christian is divided in faith in Christ.

Exactly. And that is proof it did not come from God. God would not divide his own kingdom. You cannot blame God for the mistake of Luther.

 

[tweetymom]

Okay then tweety why does scripture say this?

acts 1:20:22 Let someone else take over HIS OFFICE, Out of the MEN who have been WITH US the whoe time that the Lord Jesus was living with us, from the time when John was baptising unil the day when he was taken up from us, ONE MUST BE APPOINTED to serve with us as a witness to his resurrection.

2 Tim 2:2 What you have heard from me, entrust to FAITHFUL TEACHERS.

Do you see what I am saying tweety. THis is a cycle from the beginning of time. IT is a pattern set up by God and confirmed by scripture.

I cannot come in tweety and teach you the truth. It was not passed on to me by Apostolic succession and the laying of hands. Only the CHurch can teach me, and I can only teach you what I have been taught from the Church. Its never my interpretation, and when it is my personal interpretation its wrong. The CHuch wasn’t wrong I misunderstood the Church and must be corrected. Do you see what I say,

That is why when we as Catholics call eachother out. And if we are confused we go to the Church and if the Church says yep you got it wrong. We got it wrong Tweets. BUt if the CHurch says no you are teaching it right, then our other fellow Catholic accepts it also. Do you understand what I am saying?

Sorry you think I got it wrong. I would never tell you that, it is up yo Jesus/ I do not agree so how can I understand? I go to the word and God and prayer if I have a question and the Holy Spirit guides me into all truth.

 

[racing59]

One Body is not meant to be different churches with diferent theology. One Church and the members have diferent gifts. the members of the visible Church. the invisible Church in Heaven agrees with the visible Church here. the Mass every day in the CC is the same Mass in Heaven. the Angels and Saints in Heaven join wiht the CC Mass daily. that is what we call the Communion of Saints.

bringyou.to/apologetics/num12.htm

Forgive me if this has been already addressed,but I’m trying to catch up on this thread,and there is so much to sift through. I was told by a RCC priest that there is no Mass in Heaven because there are no Sacraments in Heaven, no need. I read Scott Hahn’s book Lamb Supper which suggest there is Mass in Heaven. Rev. 19 the Wedding Feast of the Lamb suggest there is a Wedding feast in Heaven. What are they feasting on? I find this all very confusing.I’m a slower reader so forgive me for jumping post, this one caught my eye, so I had to ask.
Peace

 

[CMatt25]

It would be really nice if you told us what does it mean to you to believe in Jesus only. what is it that you believe about Jesus? does that mean all you have to believe is the Name?

can you tell us?

Hi Wisdom, I can try. I believe Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I profess Him Lord. I believe He gave up His body and blood for each of us. If we believe in Him, we will want to express our faith. Jesus tells us the things which we can do to express our faith in righteousness. Things like helping the poor and homeless, the sick, clothing the naked. Blessed are the peacemakers. Loving our neighbor. Not judging. Things like that.

 

[Carlan]

I know that we are saved and Jesus continues to refine us, bue it is really sad some think that we still hope to be saved. Kinda goes against scripture. If you believe in the Lord Jesus you have eternal life.

Nope Tweet, you have to get to the pearly gates before you are going to know for sure. It really would help you if you read all the Catholic stuff that’s out there. you are still going by what the other folks told you, Sorry little friend.Peace Carlan

 

[Roblox84]

You are saying the CC = Jesus.?.?​

Then you said only God can save us. The CC = Jesus; Jesus is God; only God saves; the CC, which is Jesus, Who is God, saves us. The short: only the CC can save us. Quite an admission.

That’s not true because opposed to how the protestants teach people that catholics aren’t saved, the catholics teach that protestants can be saved the same way since they are unofficially still attached to the catholic church because they still use the catholic churches theology even if it’s not all the teachings that were taught by the apostles.

 

[shondrea]

Not all Protestants say Catholics aren’t saved, Roblox

 

[Roblox84]

What you are espousing is not Catholic Doctrine. You are denying the Authority of the Church that was given by Jesus in (Matt. 16:15-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John:16:12-15, 20:21-23).

Why do you call yourself a Catholic of you obviously don’t accept Catholic teaching or authority? Why would you make a statement like, "They will still get into heaven anyways." How do you know?

It DOES matter whether or not you accept God-given authority.
It DOES matter if somebody “knows” the Catholic Church is right and rejects it anyway.

You either need to educate yourself on the beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic Church - or cease identifying yourself as Catholic.

I basically meant they have the same chance at salvation just like the CC teaches. Just like my post above to me they are still under the authority of the Catholic church because they still continue to use Catholic Churchs theology, so like I said, unofficially they are still looked as a sect of the CC.

 

[CMatt25]

Well Matt, that,s when you believe,It just happens once in the beginning,when you get slapped on the forehead. Not all Protestants do that but a lot do.Not like we Catholics, you know, we are saved, we are being saved and we hoped to be saved! God bless, Carlan

:doh2: Oh once save always saved! Brain freeze. I’ve been fasting all day thus far even though not required.

 

[Roblox84]

Thats ok to do, but by the same token, why don’t Catholics do the same.

Because a person can’t accept thousands of different authorities as a single authority

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

The Problem, you all think that scripture means the CC and it doesn’t. It is for ALL believers in Christ, and I r one of them.

Then where else did it come from tweety? What other christian church was there at the time?

Matthew

 

[rinnie]

Sorry you think I got it wrong. I would never tell you that, it is up yo Jesus/ I do not agree so how can I understand? I go to the word and God and prayer if I have a question and the Holy Spirit guides me into all truth.

Tweety I never said you got it wrong, I just quoted you scripture like you asked me too. That scripture is Jesus talking not me. Now its your turn my love, you have to show me scripture now that says the Holy Spirit will lead me into all truth without the Church and teachings of the Apostles.

And show me where the bible says that private interpretation is to be the rule of understanding the bible.

I can show you where it tells me it don’t.

2 Peter 3:16 Private interpretation and instability in clinging to the doctrines passed down from the apostles can thus RESULT IN TWISTING SCRIPTURE TO ONE OWN DESTRUCTION,

I would never hurt you tweety, or deny your love for God, or say that when you were baptised were given the power of the HS from God to be good, and do good, I am just saying God said we can’t interpret scripture on our own.

 

[CMatt25]

Not all Protestants say Catholics aren’t saved, Roblox

Nor do all Catholics say Protestants aren’t.

 

[Loboto-Me]

I found this article by Eric Sammons that might shed light on understand in how the Church must interpret the Bible. This sums up how scripture is dealt with. This is not an article on authority, but on what the process is for the interpretation and why it’s naive to interpret it alone, without the complete elements needed to understand scripture.

christendom-awake.org/pages/misc/eric-scripture.htm

I meant to write “This is not an article on JUST authority”

I often forget to write words down or mix’em’up to the detriment of my readers and what I want to convey.

 

[Roblox84]

The Problem, you all think that scripture means the CC and it doesn’t. It is for ALL believers in Christ, and I r one of them.

That is right but you have to remember that Catholic means “Universal” so it technically is for everyone, but not for people that just want to interpret scriptures their own way.