where is the historical church founded by Jesus Christ?

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larkin31 said:
Another logical fallacy. Actually, the same one I mention above. Is this argument supposed to be persuasive? How, for example, can the common Catholic even KNOW all of the doctrine of the church?
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larkin, have you seen all the dogma, defined doctrine, undefined doctrine, catechism, teaching, less important discipline 🙂
 
guanophore said:
I misunderstood one of your posts, and thought you had already left the Church. I was confused why you were calling yourself Catholic.

It seems to me that most American Catholics do not take it upon themselves to learn their own faith. I was born into a Roman Catholic household with inconsistent observances. I was put through catechism, but I never learned to read Scripture, pray, or apply the precepts of my faith. My faith did not grow with me, and I did not study it. when I got to high school I rebelled, and left.

It took me 20+ years to study my way back. I did not even know I was still in rebellion against the faith when I joined CAF. Many of the members here have been kind enough to point out my errors, and I learn something new every day. 👍
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Guan, that’s alright. We often misunderstand on a forum such as this. It is easy to do.

Do you mean you just no longer practiced even as much as you may have previously? If so, you never left my friend. You were still Catholic.

Your rebel comment just made me laugh. Because while I am unabashedly a liberal thinker, rebel is not something I would normally be called in my personal life.

I don’t presume people are ignorant because they might not agree. I find too many Catholics pulling the ignorant card nowadays when quite possibly the other person is not ignorant. They might just not agree. But God bless you my friend on your continued journey. We should never stop learning the Word of God. Peace.
 
Dokimas said:

It it’s inspired by the Holy Spirit, it’s relevant to Him. Could be the Holy Spirit wanted to make sure no one misunderstood by using two different Greek words.​

I’d guess the Holy Spirit knew Jesus wasn’t going to build His church on a person but on the Truth of Who Jesus is, thus on Jesus.
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Jesus knew what He was saying. He didn’t speak in Greek. He spoke in Hebrew. He said you are rock and upon this rock I build my Church. You ignore the changing of Simon to Peter not an unimportant event in any of the Bible. Yet you seem to think it has no importance. As for the Greek having two separate words, you have to reach back two hundred years before Jesus was born to have that be true. By the time of Jesus, that was an archaic use. If the Holy Spirit wanted no misunderstanding That there would not have been a name change at all. Simon would have remained Simon. But the Holy Spirit wasn’t worried about misunderstanding. The meaning was clear. The Spirit knows that there will always be those who reject Him as long as there is free will.
 
rev_kevin said:
Putting everything aside, may I ask that you pray for my former wife who has liver cancer.
I was informed a little while ago that she went to the hospital in severe pain. She is a God loving woman and a good harted lady. Please pray for her. Her name is Silvia. Thank you.
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:gopray2:

I will put her name on prayer list at Church tomorrow. I hope her suffering will not be long to endure.
 
lil_flower_luv said:
Matt~

One of the Spiritual Works of Mercy is to instruct the ignorant. So if it looks like a Catholic brother or sister is calling you on something that you have said…it is just because we care for you and want to correct you.

Sincerely, Therese
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Hi Therese, I appreciate the care. I try to care too about my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. And all fellow brothers and sisters of the human race. But why do Catholics presume ignorance just because a brother or sister or fellow human being may not agree with everything?
 
**What of Sacred Catholic tradition about Jesus do Christians NOT have that only the Catholic Church has? **
 
schaick said:
If paying for Indulgences, the Immaculate Conception of Mary, Assumption of Mary, Papal Infallibilty was an Apostolic Tradition why did it take so long for the Catholic Church to adopt them as doctrines?
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Your are incorrect. Indulgences were never PAID for. That was an accusation by the haters of Catholics. As for the rest, what do you mean by “so long”. They existed a long time before being formally defined. The reason? Everyone accepted them. It was only after there was doubt created that they were defined. That is the reason most doctrines become defined
 
CMatt25 said:
Guan, you sure wanted me to abandon my Catholic ID for someone now saying you didn’t say I wasn’t Catholic. But oh well.
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I don’t agree with asking anyone to abandon their ID. I have seen it way to often that when one does they soon leave the faith altogether. Better to have a tiny hold on truth than none at all.IMHO
 
CMatt25 said:
According to whom? You and Guan and a few others? Or the Church? Perhaps in regard to being perfection and the perfectly devout, 100% practicing Catholic at alll times. but then the Church might as well do away with confession. 🤷
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Jesus said it. Luke warm people were to be spat out.
 
CMatt25 said:
:sad_yes: Doki, sometimes I am afraid it appears you are right. It’s actually gotten worse in recent yrs. There is a more extremist vocal element nowadays. I don’t think they ever liked the results from Vatican 2 or something. 🤷
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Amen Doki and Matt.
 
adrift said:
Your are incorrect. Indulgences were never PAID for. That was an accusation by the haters of Catholics. As for the rest, what do you mean by “so long”. They existed a long time before being formally defined. The reason? Everyone accepted them. It was only after there was doubt created that they were defined. That is the reason most doctrines become defined
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Well it is a funny thing my grandmother had to pay for indulgences.:whistle:
 
joe370 said:
Question for non-Catholics: I believe that all Protestant churches, the Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church comprise the mystical Body, the Church(es) (as opposed to church) - to which Jesus Christ is the Head and Savior. However they are all isolated autonomous churches.

If all of the isolated autonomous PC’s are churches founded by men (as opposed to God, on Pentecost, in Jerusalem, circa AD 33) - and the autonomous EOC and the autonomous CC are churches founded by men (as opposed to God, on Pentecost, in Jerusalem, circa AD 33) - then where, in the world today, is the historical church of Matthew 16, founded by Jesus Christ on Pentecost, in Jerusalem, circa AD 33?
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After 1000 post, not what church other than the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, is named.
 
CMatt25 said:
Ok thanks for clearing that up. Because you threw me when I asked if doesn’t the Church consider them, while perhaps considering imperfectly, still part of the body of Christ and you responded with a red No.
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And, again - the answer is, NO.
Not in full communion, that is.

You can be friends (though separated) with an ex-spouse - but is a divorced couple only partially divorced?
 
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