Where is the spoken word?

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My fundamentalist brothers and sisters in Christ,

If you believe in the Bible cover to cover including the cover, ask yourself where in that Bible does it tell us to no longer follow the spoken Words of God. Then ask yourself, if I am still supposed to follow it, where are the spoken Words of God? Search the Scriptures. Where are God’s spoken words we are to hold fast to?

God Bless
 
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MariaG:
My fundamentalist brothers and sisters in Christ,

If you believe in the Bible cover to cover including the cover, ask yourself where in that Bible does it tell us to no longer follow the spoken Words of God. Then ask yourself, if I am still supposed to follow it, where are the spoken Words of God? Search the Scriptures. Where are God’s spoken words we are to hold fast to?

God Bless
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Every Word spoken in the Bible is Gods spoken word. In my oppinion the Bible is sufficient for everything I need to know on how to live my life to the fullest. Gods written Word is sufficient for me. 👍 P/. There is nothing missing.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Every Word spoken in the Bible is Gods spoken word. In my oppinion the Bible is sufficient for everything I need to know on how to live my life to the fullest. Gods written Word is sufficient for me. 👍 P/. There is nothing missing.
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oh yeah? Yet, it is said that “not everything that Jesus said or did is recorded.” There isn’t enough books to write it all in, or something like that… 👍

“Hold fast to the teaching we left you, either spoken or written.”
 
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mrS4ntA:
oh yeah? Yet, it is said that “not everything that Jesus said or did is recorded.” There isn’t enough books to write it all in, or something like that… 👍

“Hold fast to the teaching we left you, either spoken or written.”
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If it was important enougfh it would have been in the bible.God gives us everything we need in my oppinion in the written word.
 
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1962Missal:
No one disputes that the Bible is God’s written Word.
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I dispute that the Bible is God’s written Word. The Bible never claims to be the Word of God. This does not mean that the Bible is not sacred or inspired. But to call it the Word of God is contrary to what the Bible teaches.
 
Rod of Iron,

Could you please give Scripture to show me what you mean. You say calling the Bible the Word of God is contrary to what the Bible teaches. My thought is Where does it teach that in the Bible? Maybe I don’t understand your basic premise, a Scripture reference will help put your argument in context.

Thanks
 
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MariaG:
The Catholic church gets accused of making up new traditions. This in fact is not true. There is a development of understanding and new words, like the Trinity get used. The Catholic Church is clear however, that new REVELATION ended when the Apostles died. Everything else is just studying those words that were written and discussing the oral tradition and developing the understanding of them. If you study the early Church Fathers, 100, 200 and 300ad even, you can see the Catholic Church is consistent with the apostles and Scripture. This is an area I am working on. I will ask for help and leave this area, Our Church Fathers, to our more learned people.
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You ask where this spoken word is if not in Sacred Tradition. The first thing I must ask is: What do you consider to be the oral word of God? What qualifies something spoken to be this oral word that you speak of? I would think that any speech that would be considered sacred and inspired would have to be revelatory in nature. But you have said that revelation from God ceased when the apostles died. If revelation was important to humans from Adam and Eve through the apostles (about 4000 years), why would it not be important for us in our day and age? If God no longer reveals truth to us through continued revelation, what does that say about us? Are we so much more wicked than those who lived before us, that God would not even bother with us anymore?

Amos 3:7 tells us, “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” If God has stopped revealing things to us, then He will not do anything further with us. That’s scary! If God will not bother with us any more, we have no hope. All God’s promises will become empty. If God has lost interest in us, so that He will not reveal anything more to us, we might as well just all end our lives, because there would be no point of living.

Perhaps, I should not be responding to your question, because I do not believe in the Bible only. I also believe in the Book of Mormon and in modern day revelation. But I believe that any forthcoming revelation must agree with revelation that has already been received. When you claim that God no longer reveals anything to us, you are tying His hands. God has not left us or forsaken us, but He cannot reveal anything to us if we refuse to listen.

As I searched for the phrase “word of the Lord” or “word of God” in the Bible, I find that it’s often in this format: “Then the word of the Lord came unto _____, saying,”. Words do not say anything. Words are not animate objects. So, the “word of the Lord” must be a living presence, or it could not say anything. Perhaps, the “word of the Lord” can be equated to the Holy Spirit. In the New Testament, we are told that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. Why then wouldn’t the Holy Spirit come unto the prophets of God and reveal the truth unto them?

If any of what you call Sacred Tradition is not revelatory in nature, I would question if it actually came from God. When the pope speaks something ex cathedra, does he claim that what he has spoken is a revelation from God? And does the pope say, “Thus saith the Lord”? Why should I believe any tradition that has not been revealed by God through one of His servants, i.e. the prophets? Is the pope a prophet, seer, or revelator? Does he claim that God directly reveals truth unto him and that this truth is revelatory?
 
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MariaG:
Rod of Iron,

Could you please give Scripture to show me what you mean. You say calling the Bible the Word of God is contrary to what the Bible teaches. My thought is Where does it teach that in the Bible? Maybe I don’t understand your basic premise, a Scripture reference will help put your argument in context.

Thanks
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What I am saying is that the Bible does not say, “The Bible is the word of God.” You will not find that phrase anywhere in the Bible. Of course, when the Bible mentions the word of God in John 1:1-2, it states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” These verses show that the word is God. Later in John 1:14, it states: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” This verse now shows that the Word is also Jesus, because the Word (God) became flesh (Jesus). It’s simple algebra. Using the transitive property, the Word = God, and the Word = Jesus, so then God = Jesus. But nowhere in these verses does it say that the Word = the Bible.
 
rod of iron:
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If any of what you call Sacred Tradition is not revelatory in nature, I would question if it actually came from God. When the pope speaks something ex cathedra, does he claim that what he has spoken is a revelation from God? And does the pope say, “Thus saith the Lord”? Why should I believe any tradition that has not been revealed by God through one of His servants, i.e. the prophets? Is the pope a prophet, seer, or revelator? Does he claim that God directly reveals truth unto him and that this truth is revelatory?
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No, there is no more public revelation to be given to men after the last apostle died. What the pope teaches ex cathedra is an infallible truth protected by the Holy Spirit, it defines a dogma based on the revelation of the Word of God 2000 years ago… It doesn’t teach a “new” revelation, no… So no, he’s not a prophet, seer or revelator!
 
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MariaG:
I do not post this to be in any way gloating. And remember, this post was specifically to our bible alone friends. I asked for Scripture to show where the spoken word of God is, if it is not the Sacred Tradition. God’s words says His word will never fail. There has only been one person who could provide any Scripture at all. While that Scripture is true (obviously), God’s word is written, it is not the complete story. It does not address the Scripture telling us to hold fast to that which is written and spoken. If you believe the Bible alone is sufficient, you should be able to show me in the Bible where it says you no longer have to follow the Oral words of God because we wrote them all down now. And if you can’t find in the Bible anything about not following that oral word, maybe you should start looking for where that oral word of God is located.

God Bless
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Jesus said it is written. I believe He was speaking of the old Testament.After Jesus took his place in heaven,the spoken word came into play through his apostles which was spoken orally and latter written down in what we call the new testament. So between the old and the new testaments Gods Word is written. 👍
 
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mrS4ntA:
No, there is no more public revelation to be given to men after the last apostle died. What the pope teaches ex cathedra is an infallible truth protected by the Holy Spirit, it defines a dogma based on the revelation of the Word of God 2000 years ago… It doesn’t teach a “new” revelation, no… So no, he’s not a prophet, seer or revelator!
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The only way that the pope could be speaking infallible truth is if that truth is revealed to him by the Holy Spirit. Since you admit that the pope is neither a prophet, seer, or revelator, I must question anything he says. The Holy Spirit does not protect the truth, He reveals the truth. If the pope is not receiving revelation by way of the Holy Spirit, there is no guarantee that all the pope says is the infallible truth.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Every Word spoken in the Bible is Gods spoken word. In my oppinion the Bible is sufficient for everything I need to know on how to live my life to the fullest. Gods written Word is sufficient for me. 👍 P/. There is nothing missing.
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That is written word.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
If it was important enougfh it would have been in the bible.God gives us everything we need in my oppinion in the written word.
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The spoken word was important, that is why they wrote it…
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Jesus said it is written. I believe He was speaking of the old Testament.After Jesus took his place in heaven,the spoken word came into play through his apostles which was spoken orally and latter written down in what we call the new testament. So between the old and the new testaments Gods Word is written. 👍
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The new testament tells you that you have to hold fast to the spoken word. Why would Pual write this if he wrote all the spoken word down in his epistles? It would become a pointless statement.
 
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jimmy:
The new testament tells you that you have to hold fast to the spoken word. Why would Pual write this if he wrote all the spoken word down in his epistles? It would become a pointless statement.
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ST. Paul was not holding a bible in his hand. Thats why. :confused:
 
But where in the Bible does it tell you it all was written down? I can only find places where it tells us to hold fast to what we told you and that everything was NOT written down. If you choose to ignore that which was spoken because you feel what was written is sufficient, that certainly is your choice. But please do not say Catholics have man-made traditions and you follow the Bible when clearly, you choose to ignore that which you don’t agree with that is in the Bible. Bible alone and saying what is written is all I need is the Man made tradition. But once again, don’t look to me. Look to Scripture and show me one Scripture showing you don’t have to follow His spoken words, otherwise, you are following a man- made tradition.

To say that all that what is written is all that is needed, is to deny the first 400 years of Christianity and is to deny the Scripture that you hold so dearly. It’s there in the Bible, invite the Holy Spirit to show you the truth and read for yourself.
God Bless
 
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MariaG:
But where in the Bible does it tell you it all was written down? I can only find places where it tells us to hold fast to what we told you and that everything was NOT written down. If you choose to ignore that which was spoken because you feel what was written is sufficient, that certainly is your choice. But please do not say Catholics have man-made traditions and you follow the Bible when clearly, you choose to ignore that which you don’t agree with that is in the Bible. Bible alone and saying what is written is all I need is the Man made tradition. But once again, don’t look to me. Look to Scripture and show me one Scripture showing you don’t have to follow His spoken words, otherwise, you are following a man- made tradition.

To say that all that what is written is all that is needed, is to deny the first 400 years of Christianity and is to deny the Scripture that you hold so dearly. It’s there in the Bible, invite the Holy Spirit to show you the truth and read for yourself.
God Bless
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When you said that revelation from God ended with the apostles, you just put the brakes on the spoken word, in my opinion. With your statement, you also implied that God has changed. But God tells us that He is unchangeable. Again I ask you, what do you consider to be the spoken word?
 
The Spoken word is the teaching of the Apostles that was not written down. The position of Christianity for over 1800 years has been there is no futher revelation once the Apostles died.

If you wish to discuss the Morman position, I would start a new thread since this is specifically to those who believe in the Bible alone, no Tradition nor further revelation.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
ST. Paul was not holding a bible in his hand. Thats why. :confused:
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He still wrote it. You can not reject passages, on the arguement that we have the bible. There is nowhere that refutes this fact in the bible. You reject it because it supports the Catholic Church.

How can you accept a fourth century Catholic book that had to pass a vote by the catholic bishops, as the infallible word of God , yet you do not accept the fact that the Catholic church is infallible.
 
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