"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[seekerz]

A president that is open and honest? I always question the actions and motives of a man that is as secretive and vindictive as Obama has been.

Yeah, all other presidents have openly discussed every aspect of the nations business with a daily “tell all” public conference on the White House steps…

 

[kimmielittle]

In case you weren’t paying attention, this “birther” issue has been going on since the campaign in 2008.

And actually started WITH Mr McCain being asked.

 

[seekerz]

There was no requirement for George Washington to serve only 2 terms as President, he could have been President for Life if he so choose. He set his own limit as an appropriate example for others. The reason that we have so many laws in the country is because people cannot seem to do the right thing on their own.

So, push for a law that requires the long form of the birth certificate and THEN harass subsequent presidents for theirs. That’s the fair, democratic and reasonable way to handle your doubts. The idea here is precedent - there is none in this case.

 

[qui_est_ce]

The main thing that bothers me about this whole birth certificate controversy is kind of selfish on my part. My daughter, who was born in the US (and both I and her father are citizens by birth) doesn’t have a piece of paper that says “birth certificate;” it says, “birth record” or something like that. So Obama aside, the whole notion that it isn’t a birth certificate unless it says “birth certificate” in black and white really bothers me.

I disagree. I think the important part was the long form, which has the attending physician’s signature on it.

 

[seekerz]

Yes it’s a good start to unsealing records and an example of a transparent administration…

So there has never been a transparent administration before this one…I don’t remember seeing any other president’s birth certificate.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

So, push for a law that requires the long form of the birth certificate and THEN harass subsequent presidents for theirs. That’s the fair, democratic and reasonable way to handle your doubts. The idea here is precedent - there is none in this case.

The claim that you will create the most transparent Presidential Administration the world has ever seen, and then putting all of your personal documents on lockdown guarded by man-eating lawyers is a clear example of hypocricy, which is why more and more people over time have become wary of anything this President says or does. He has not demonstrated to the American people that he is a man of his word.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

So there has never been a transparent administration before this one…I don’t remember seeing any other president’s birth certificate.

Did you ask?

 

[seekerz]

The claim that you will create the most transparent Presidential Administration the world has ever seen, and then putting all of your personal documents on lockdown guarded by man-eating lawyers is a clear example of hypocricy, which is why more and more people over time have become wary of anything this President says or does. He has not demonstrated to the American people that he is a man of his word.

He has every right to put his birth certificate on lockdown (and his baby pictures, and his high school yearbook and his first love letters) if he chooses. Exhibiting it has never been a requirement for the presidency. Then again you haven’t really addressed my points in that last post…the absence of legal requirements or precedence.

 

[seekerz]

Did you ask?

Is that the way we do it now? Make a demand loudly enough or for long enough (never mind legal or democratic channels) and the president jumps? Seems like that’s the precedent he set today with the release of this document. Time’s have certainly changed and not for the better in this case, I might add.

And no, I never asked before. Neither did anyone else. That is precisely the point I’ve been making all along.

 

[TMC]

So where do the fringe anti-Obamians go now? Some are already saying that the fact that his father is listed as Kenyan makes him ineligible - that is so clearly untrue that I don’t think it will catch fire. Others are saying this must be a forgery, but that seems too lame to become popular. The new chant might be over school records, but that seems an odd place for the fringe right to land, as they claim to be anti-elitist and so many of their leaders/heros have had somewhat checkered academic careers.

Maybe they will actually engage on the issues? Naw, that’s crazy.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Is that the way we do it now? Make a demand loudly enough or for long enough (never mind legal or democratic channels) and the president jumps? Seems like that’s the precedent he set today with the release of this document. Time’s have certainly changed and not for the better in this case, I might add.

Considering that he is a servant of the people, yes. He is not our ruler, he governs and administers (that is why it is called an Administration, not a monarchy) this country at the request, pleasure and expense of the American people.

 

[Charlotte408]

Which other president has had to do this? The rules of this forum, happily, prevent me from being blunt and frank about the possible reasons for demanding of him what no other president has had to do!

Yeah but you danced all around the point you made yourself.

In the US, to have a job (unless you work under the table) you need a birth certificate. A social security card. An ID.

Like you said, no other President has had to do this, and if anything, it has shown a flaw in the system. They should have. Each and everyone of them. If we have requirements for the Presidency (you have to be 45, US citizen, etc etc) then those requirements should be proven to have been met.

I mean, I would think? Right? It’s not that ‘No other President has done it so Obama doesn’t have to’

It’s - 'It unfortunately is an issue that was never brought into light until Obama came into office, but this is something that ALL Presidents should do, and should have been doing all along.

IMHO.

 

[seekerz]

Considering that he is a servant of the people, yes. He is not our ruler, he governs and administers (that is why it is called an Administration, not a monarchy) this country at the request, pleasure and expense of the American people.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s not the way it works. He is responsible to the American people but he is not owned by them and not bound to accede to every demand, reasonable or otherwise - that stuff kind of went out of fashion in Abe Lincoln’s age…

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

So where do the fringe anti-Obamians go now? Some are already saying that the fact that his father is listed as Kenyan makes him ineligible - that is so clearly untrue that I don’t think it will catch fire. Others are saying this must be a forgery, but that seems too lame to become popular. The new chant might be over school records, but that seems an odd place for the fringe right to land, as they claim to be anti-elitist and so many of their leaders/heros have had somewhat checkered academic careers.

Maybe they will actually engage on the issues? Naw, that’s crazy.

Actually, what would make him technically ineligible is that IF he were born outside of the US…

Please recognize that I said if.

in 1961, the laws of natural birth citizenship required one parent to be an American citizen, have lived for 10 years in the United States, 5 of which had to occur after the 14th birthday. Since his mother was 18 at the time of his birth, she would not have been eligible to meet this requirement.

However, this whole birther thing is a wrong headed attempt to try to figure out who this guy Barack Obama is.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s not the way it works. He is responsible to the American people but he is not owned by them and not bound to accede to every demand, reasonable or otherwise - that stuff kind of went out of fashion in Abe Lincoln’s age…

Please don’t get me started on the Great American Dictator. Other people in this thread will get uupset with me.

Again.

 

[Big_Ro]

And actually started WITH Mr McCain being asked.

This is just not true. The controversy started with a series of anonymous chain emails. It is widely speculated that they originated in Hillary Clinton’s campaign. However, there is no definitive proof that this is the case. Hillary’s camp was keen to let the issue simmer to a boil as they were trailing badly. They made comments that I characterize as half-birther. “Well, I assume he’s a US citizen but I’m not sure”. The Obama campaign very soon after released the Certificate that has generated so much energy among the Birther crowd.

The issue of John McCain’s birth is fundementally different. There is no question that McCain was not born on US soil. This fact is not in dispute. The question which the Congressional hearing focused has to do with the vague wording of the Constitution. It has always been accepted that persons born on military installations outside the US are regarded as having been born on US soil. However, there is no clear statute that makes this settled law. So, there was some basis for questioning whether or not McCain was eligible to be President. I think he is eligible and we should accept the tradition and codify it in to law. The hearings were not, as Kimmie and others have tried to push. about McCain being a natural born citizen of the USA. The question was whether or not being born in the Panama Canal Zone on a military installation satisfies the constitutional requirement. I think it does, but the law is unclear.

 

[Charlotte408]

I don’t like Trump, but he comes out the winner here. Heres the man that got Obama to release his BC.

… I said ‘dance’

 

[seekerz]

Yeah but you danced all around the point you made yourself.

In the US, to have a job (unless you work under the table) you need a birth certificate. A social security card. An ID.

Like you said, no other President has had to do this, and if anything, it has shown a flaw in the system. They should have. Each and everyone of them. If we have requirements for the Presidency (you have to be 45, US citizen, etc etc) then those requirements should be proven to have been met.

I mean, I would think? Right? It’s not that ‘No other President has done it so Obama doesn’t have to’

It’s - 'It unfortunately is an issue that was never brought into light until Obama came into office, but this is something that ALL Presidents should do, and should have been doing all along.

IMHO.

And you are personally creating this new requirement for presidents in honor of Obama becoming president? No wonder the world wants to come here…We get to be puppet-masters just by wishing upon a star? Really?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

And you are personally creating this new requirement for presidents in honor of Obama becoming president? No wonder the world wants to come here…We get to be puppet-masters just by wishing upon a star? Really?

Yes, really. Because our system of government is the only one formulated where the people who form the government actually answer to the people that they govern. Unless you want a “presidency” like Venezuela. Is that what you want?

 

[SwizzleStick]

Are you asserting that this is a forgery? Lest I once more breach the bounds of charitable posting, let me ask one theological question: at what point does error (as in a mistake or accident) become willful wrongdoing?

Some are already asking questions.

"…
• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document’s safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: it is spelled “Ukulele.”

Source and entire entry: thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513