"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[Big_Ro]

He was born in Hawaii, that makes him a natural born citizen regardless of the citizenship of his father. The Sotero stuff is sheer speculation, would not undo his citizenship and is probably best left to another thread.

Yes, you are clearly right on the first part and this issue has already been addressed and debinked. But as the many posts to this thread evidence, these “facts” matter little to the Birthers.

You and I might agree what seperates “fact” from “sheer speculation”, but again, it matters little to the Birthers.

 

[agnes_therese]

His father was Kenyan. Obama had dual citizenship. Lost American citizenship when allegedly adopted by Sotero in Indonesia. The grades are apaprently for the bonus round.

How does one lose citizenship from an alleged adoption?

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[agnes_therese]

Well, the doctor who delivered me is dead, too. I guess that means I was actually born in Kenya.

Some are already asking questions.

"…
• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document’s safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: it is spelled “Ukulele.”

Source and entire entry: thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Well, the doctor who delivered me is dead, too. I guess that means I was actually born in Kenya.

Just don’t run for President and you’ll be fine.

 

[estesbob]

I’m one of those who thinks this pushing of Obama was not born in the USA a breaking of the 8th Commandment.

Thats quite a stretch-even by CAF standards!

 

[Marie5890]

You know what…thanks Marie. I am looking at the CCC and seeing where I have in this thread and in other places not fully respected the 8th Commandment. Thank you for that.

You are welcome.

The 8th Commandment, like most of the others, takes a real beating in our culture.

 

[Big_Ro]

How does one lose citizenship from an alleged adoption?

Honestly I don’t know. It’s beyond my understanding of the laws regarding citizenship. I was just repeating what the spokesman for the Tea Party Nation said. We’ll see.

 

[SwizzleStick]

What are the new citizenship questions? I thought the controversy was about citizenship, what do his grades have to do with that?
Big Ro;7807596:

His father was Kenyan. Obama had dual citizenship. Lost American citizenship when allegedly adopted by Sotero in Indonesia. The grades are apaprently for the bonus round.

These are not new questions. They were discussed at great length and in great depth before the 2008 election here at CAF, but all those many threads were removed some time ago.

 

[Marie5890]

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I apologize if my post came off as uncharitable nor was I passing judgment. That was not the intent of my heart. I was just vocalizing a thought I have had for sometime about our culture as a whole and in general. It was not ment to be personal or focused on anyone in particular.

Im sorry I was unable to make that more clear.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I am going to write a book. In it is going to be this mysterious guy that everyone seems to be aware of, but no-one seems to know anything about. A recurrent theme/question in the book is going to be:

Who is Barack Obama?

I think I’ll name it, Soros Shrugged.

 

[imbroglio]

Did you answer my post about my research?

Do you think my research was fair?
Do you think I presented Facts not fiction in my research?

This thread isn’t about you.

 

[kimmielittle]

This thread isn’t about you.

Actually if you read the posts - I was referring to a poster who asked me about my “research” and how it relates to this thread.

Side note : It still goes unanswered

By reading this thread: You will find

1 I proved the Long Form exist - against commentators who stated different.
2 I proved that Mr Obama could get a copy of the Long Form - against commentators who stated different.
3 I proved that there is a difference between a Certification of Birth" and a Certificate of Live Birth" - against commentators who stated different.

 

[Big_Ro]

These are not new questions. They were discussed at great length and in great depth before the 2008 election here at CAF, but all those many threads were removed some time ago.

Sorry, I didn’t join until 2009. Also, I didn’t mean to insinuate that the issues are new. Sorry if it came out that way. I think I was speaking to a larger issue that came up in this thread previous to today’s release. It was suggested that even if the document was released it would not satisfy the doubters. I think this reaction at least suggests that there was some validity to the speculation. We can disagree. It’s just an opinion.

 

[SwizzleStick]

He was born in Hawaii, that makes him a natural born citizen regardless of the citizenship of his father. …

“The question that the court must decide is whether a person governed by the laws of Great Britain at the time of their birth could be considered a natural “born citizen” of the United States as required by Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution.”

Excerpted from: theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

 

[SwizzleStick]

Sorry, I didn’t join until 2009. Also, I didn’t mean to insinuate that the issues are new. Sorry if it came out that way. I think I was speaking to a larger issue that came up in this thread previous to today’s release. It was suggested that even if the document was released it would not satisfy the doubters. I think this reaction at least suggests that there was some validity to the speculation. We can disagree. It’s just an opinion.

No worries. Bottom line, there are a lot of unanswered questions still, that is the main issue.

 

[StTommyMore]

The physical location of the birth Barack Obama is not all that relevant. That is not the only criterion for being considered a “natural born citizen.” If either parent is a citizen, then you are as well, no matter where you were born.

 

[Big_Ro]

I apologize if my post came off as uncharitable nor was I passing judgment. That was not the intent of my heart. I was just vocalizing a thought I have had for sometime about our culture as a whole and in general. It was not ment to be personal or focused on anyone in particular.

Im sorry I was unable to make that more clear.

I don’t think that was aimed at you Marie.

 

[Big_Ro]

“The question that the court must decide is whether a person governed by the laws of Great Britain at the time of their birth could be considered a natural “born citizen” of the United States as required by Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution.”

Excerpted from: theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

My understanding is that it’s the nationality or citizenship of the mother at the time of birth that counts. Also, I thought that as long as someone was born on USA soil they were automatically US citizens. This is a issue popular in immigration debates, but let’s not derail the thread topic.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The physical location of the birth Barack Obama is not all that relevant. That is not the only criterion for being considered a “natural born citizen.” If either parent is a citizen, then you are as well, no matter where you were born.

That is not entirely true.

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock):

1. 
   *]The person’s parents were married at the time of birth
   *]One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
   *]The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
   *]A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.
   
   Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on Novermber 29, 1942. Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961. That means that his mother was only 18 at the time of his birth. IF Obama had been born outside of the United States, she would not have met requirement # 4 of the jus sanguinis law regarding citizenship conference to those born outside of the US to parents who are American citizens. Since this is now a moot point, I thought I would illuminate the finer pints of* jus sanguinis* law as it existed in 1961.