"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

  • Thread starter Thread starter a_priori
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
mary_bobo said:
Just a few questions. Why is it that no one from his Columbia University days claims to have known him. Usually people are only too quick to claim they knew someone famous. How come his records there are sealed? A survey has conducted of 400 students who were at Columbia at the same time were questioned. Not one of them knew or knew of Barack Obama. One student, who was a political science major and graduated the same year had never heard of Obama. Strange? And Obama’s picture is not in the Columbia yearbook. Strange?
Click to expand...
This is a long debunked myth. I don’t know if he is in the Columbia yearbook or not, but both students and teachers that knew him at Columbia have come forward, he published an article in the Columbia school paper when he was there, and of course Columbia is not in the habit of giving degrees to people that never went there.
I am sure those who support the agenda will find ways to discount this. I don’t know where he was born and I have not questioned this nor am I a birther. But I would think if one had any curiosity at all, and any respect for our Constitution, they would want these things answered. It would only take the simple action of releasing the birth certificate. How hard can that be if you have one?
Click to expand...
I think that saying you don’t know where he was born is pretty much the definition of “birther.” He has released a birth certificate, but some people are not satisfied with official documents and want something more.

But what I asked was for the credible evidence that he was not born in Hawaii. Is there any?
 
TMC said:
But what I asked was for the credible evidence that he was not born in Hawaii. Is there any?
Click to expand...
He probably was born in Hawaii, thus born a US citizen. What I’m wondering is, if he was adopted Mr. Lolo Sotero, was a new birth certificate issued?

In Missouri, when an adopted child is born, his or her original birth certificate (which identifies the child’s birth parents) is sealed and an amended birth certificate is issued with the adopted parents’ names.

How does this fit in with the Constitution?

Someone brought up dual citizenship. Does this disqualify one from office of POTUS?

In my family, we were all born in Germany. My dad was an American, my mother had French citizenship. So we all had dual, maybe even triple citizenship. At the time, my brother was not eligible to be President. I believe it was because both parents were not American citizens. I know the law has changed since then, and he would now be eligible and a natural born US citizen.
 
qui_est_ce said:
He probably was born in Hawaii, thus born a US citizen. What I’m wondering is, if he was adopted Mr. Lolo Sotero, was a new birth certificate issued?

In Missouri, when an adopted child is born, his or her original birth certificate (which identifies the child’s birth parents) is sealed and an amended birth certificate is issued with the adopted parents’ names.

How does this fit in with the Constitution?

Someone brought up dual citizenship. Does this disqualify one from office of POTUS?

In my family, we were all born in Germany. My dad was an American, my mother had French citizenship. So we all had dual, maybe even triple citizenship. At the time, my brother was not eligible to be President. I believe it was because both parents were not American citizens. I know the law has changed since then, and he would now be eligible and a natural born US citizen.
Click to expand...
There is no evidence he was ever adopted by anyone, but it would not change his qualification for the presidency. Neither does the nationality of his parents. Everyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. He was born in Hawaii and is therefore a natural born citizen.
 
St_Francis said:
He does not in any way appear to have grown up as a “street kid;” this is really too much of an exaggeration, a slander against the nation and against his mother.
Click to expand...
“Street kid” is the term the president used to describe himself. As to slander against the nation of Indonesia, all I implied was that young Obama spent a lot of time out of the US, probably learning nothing of traditional Americana (Geo. Washington and the cherry tree, Abe Lincoln boyhood stories, and scores of other things that reinforce the American character). No slander was intended toward his mother, the late Stanley Anne Dunham, who apparently lived a tragic life.
 
TMC said:
There is no evidence he was ever adopted by anyone, but it would not change his qualification for the presidency. Neither does the nationality of his parents. Everyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. He was born in Hawaii and is therefore a natural born citizen.
Click to expand...
I think there is some evidence he may have been adopted by Lolo Sotero. Obama went by the name Barry Sotero, was registered in school with that name. That’s not proof, certainly, but it is a possiblity.
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
This is all off-topic. Could we stay on topic please?
Click to expand...
Who we can vote for is EXACTLY what this what this whole issue is about. The implications of the birther argument and birther legislation is to PREVENT a candidate (i.e. Obama) from even appearing on the ballot in certain states. If he is not on the ballot - nobody can vote for him. Problem solved.

Rather than confront Obama in a fair fight, Republicans are engaging in all sorts of tactics to simply REMOVE anyone they DON’T LIKE from the electoral process. It’s the same thing with all these voter registration restrictions the Republicans are putting into place. They are designed to disenfranchise legitimate first time voters. Why? Because first time voters overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
 
NOTICE

I have merged all the birth certificate threads. This is a valid topic here and will remain so as long as members post charitably. People are finding themselves suspended, not because they are discusssing this topic, but because they are not being charitable to one another.

Rules for discussing this topic (another one added):
  1. Keep all posts charitable
  2. Don’t accuse people of racism
  3. Stay on topic. The topic is Obama’s birth certificate, not someone else’s. Only bring up someone else’s birth certificate if it directly relates to this case. Don’t bring up abortion or any other issue that may throw the thread off topic.
  4. Discuss the issues, not each other.
  5. Don’t associate motives to anyone arguing a position you don’t agree with.
 
qui_est_ce said:
I think there is some evidence he may have been adopted by Lolo Sotero. Obama went by the name Barry Sotero, was registered in school with that name. That’s not proof, certainly, but it is a possiblity.
Click to expand...
He may have been registered in school in Indonesia using his stepfather’s last name- hardly unusual and I don’t see how being adopted or using one’s stepfather’s name has any effect on citizenship. BTW, the school he went to in Indonesia was St. Francis of Assisi - a Catholic school.
 
TMC said:
This is a long debunked myth. I don’t know if he is in the Columbia yearbook or not, but both students and teachers that knew him at Columbia have come forward, he published an article in the Columbia school paper when he was there, and of course Columbia is not in the habit of giving degrees to people that never went there.

I think that saying you don’t know where he was born is pretty much the definition of “birther.” He has released a birth certificate, but some people are not satisfied with official documents and want something more.

But what I asked was for the credible evidence that he was not born in Hawaii. Is there any?
Click to expand...
I repeat, I am not a birther. I never gave it much thought dispite the stories. I just assumed he was eligible to run. Just a small question, if the birth certificate has been released, why do we know find it all over the media. A certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate. I know I have both for all of my children.
 
qui_est_ce said:
I think there is some evidence he may have been adopted by Lolo Sotero. Obama went by the name Barry Sotero, was registered in school with that name. That’s not proof, certainly, but it is a possiblity.
Click to expand...
I have never heard that he was adopted. But why the name Sotero. Where did it come from?
 
mary_bobo said:
I repeat, I am not a birther. I never gave it much thought dispite the stories. I just assumed he was eligible to run. Just a small question, if the birth certificate has been released, why do we know find it all over the media. A certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate. I know I have both for all of my children.
Click to expand...
In Hawaii, they don’t release the original birth certificate which is kept in a bound volume in some state records office. The document they give to citizens to prove they were born in Hawaii is called a Certificate of Live Birth - which is what he released. It is the document used by the state of Hawaii and the federal government as proof of birth. The state has confirmed that the original certificate is in the bound volume where it belongs and the past (Republican) governor personally confirmed that fact during the last election.
 
TMC said:
He may have been registered in school in Indonesia using his stepfather’s last name- hardly unusual and I don’t see how being adopted or using one’s stepfather’s name has any effect on citizenship.
Click to expand...
I’m sure it’s not at all unusual to use one’s stepfather’s name. I am just curious about the possiblility, and it’s not at all unlikely, that he was adopted by Lolo Sotero. Would that affect his American citizenship? Could a natural born American citizen lose his citizenship when he is adopted by a noncitizen?
BTW, the school he went to in Indonesia was St. Francis of Assisi - a Catholic school.
Click to expand...
👍
 
qui_est_ce said:
I’m sure it’s not at all unusual to use one’s stepfather’s name. I am just curious about the possiblility, and it’s not at all unlikely, that he was adopted by Lolo Sotero. Would that affect his American citizenship? Could a natural born American citizen lose his citizenship when he is adopted by a noncitizen?
Click to expand...
I don’t believe adoption changes anything. Everyone born in the US is a natural born citizen, regardless of the nationality of their parents. If a person renounces their citizenship in order to become a citizen of another country, that might make that person ineligible. But you can’t do that until you are 18, and Obama was only in Indonesia from the age of 6 to 10.
 
TMC said:
What Muslim causes has he favored…
Click to expand...
Here’s one:

Remember NASA? You know, National Aeronautics and Space Administration? Space Shuttles, Satellites…

Well, our Space Shuttle Program is just about over. We will be paying the Russians to carry our Astronauts into space, and NASA has a new yob:

Obama Directs NASA to Reach Out to Muslim Nations

…Just when you thought Barack Obama’s toadying to Islam could not get any worse, now comes this: The president directed the new administrator of NASA, retired Marine Major Gen. Charles Bolden, as “perhaps [his] foremost” charge to “find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage more dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science . . . and math and engineering.”

This comment came in an interview the NASA chief conducted with Al-Jazeera while touring the Middle East to mark the first anniversary of Mr. Obama’s much-ballyhooed Cairo paean to Muslims…

…In an address to the American University in Cairo, Bolden added that Mr. Obama has “asked NASA to change . . . by reaching out to ‘nontraditional’ partners and strengthening our cooperation in the Middle East, North Africa, Southeast Asia and in particular in Muslim-majority nations.” He declared that “NASA is not only a space exploration agency, but also an Earth improvement agency.”…

Have a Blessed Good Friday.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
TMC said:
I don’t believe adoption changes anything. Everyone born in the US is a natural born citizen, regardless of the nationality of their parents. If a person renounces their citizenship in order to become a citizen of another country, that might make that person ineligible. But you can’t do that until you are 18, and Obama was only in Indonesia from the age of 6 to 10.
Click to expand...
I have a question for you: Obama was in Indonesia, you say from age 6 to 10:
  1. Was he adopted and was his name changed to Soetoro?
  2. If not, how did he attend school in Indonesia, as you *must be *a citizen of Indonesia to attend.
Have a Blessed Good Friday!

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
DawnInTexas said:
I have a question for you: Obama was in Indonesia, you say from age 6 to 10:
  1. Was he adopted and was his name changed to Soetoro?
  2. If not, how did he attend school in Indonesia, as you *must be *a citizen of Indonesia to attend.
Have a Blessed Good Friday!

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
Click to expand...
He was not adopted and his name was not changed, but neither of those things would have anything to do with his citizenship.

He went to a private Catholic school in Indonesia so he did not have to be a citizen to attend.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top