"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

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It is not the birth certificate as much as it is the “Transparency Platform” He ran on - yet won’t apply it to himself.
That’s just a sorry state of affairs for both parties. Pelosi boots the Republicans and promises transparency and CSPAN broadcasts of meetings (drain the swamp). She changes her tune once she gets the power. Obama promised the same thing for the health care debate, yet more closed room meetings and no CSPAN. Boehner boots Pelosi and promises transparency, but once again closed meetings between himself, Harry Reid, and Obama are the standard. The Republicans tell their voters to quiet down and accept.

All liars. All thieves. The only thing more pathetic are the sheep that defend these animals.
 
I can see you don’t read my posts entirely
This is not positive evidence that Obama was born outside Hawaii, it is another attack on the strength of the evidence that he was born in Hawaii. But I guess this is all there is - a blogger says that someone else says that the current governor of Hawaii told him privately that his public statements were lies and the public statements of every other Hawaii official to address the subject were lies. If that is the best there is, than there is no positive evidence Obama was born outside of Hawaii, and only pretty weak attacks on the validity of the evidence that he was born in Hawaii.
Asking for the third time:
Is it true : That a birth could be registered BY MAIL in Hawaii in 1961?
I don’t know, are you asking because you know? If so, please tell us the answer, how you know the answer and why the answer matters.
 
That’s just a sorry state of affairs for both parties. Pelosi boots the Republicans and promises transparency and CSPAN broadcasts of meetings (drain the swamp). She changes her tune once she gets the power. Obama promised the same thing for the health care debate, yet more closed room meetings and no CSPAN. Boehner boots Pelosi and promises transparency, but once again closed meetings between himself, Harry Reid, and Obama are the standard. The Republicans tell their voters to quiet down and accept.

All liars. All thieves. The only thing more pathetic are the sheep that defend these animals.
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There is something definitely sour 🙂
 
This is not positive evidence that Obama was born outside Hawaii, it is another attack on the strength of the evidence that he was born in Hawaii. But I guess this is all there is - a blogger says that someone else says that the current governor of Hawaii told him privately that his public statements were lies and the public statements of every other Hawaii official to address the subject were lies. If that is the best there is, than there is no positive evidence Obama was born outside of Hawaii, and only pretty weak attacks on the validity of the evidence that he was born in Hawaii.
Reasonable doubt exist -

My take on it: ANY President who would allow the country to divide on this…AND not offer the long form. Polls Show over 60+ % of Americans do not believe he was born in Hawaii -
I don’t know, are you asking because you know? If so, please tell us the answer, how you know the answer and why the answer matters.
Yes it is true: That a birth could be registered BY MAIL in Hawaii in 1961?

Can you not think of some implications?

Hint: No one need be present - No Doctor of record - No Hospital etc etc…
 
Reasonable doubt exist -

My take on it: ANY President who would allow the country to divide on this…AND not offer the long form.

Yes it is true: That a birth could be registered BY MAIL in Hawaii in 1961?

Can you not think of some implications?

Hint: No one need be present - No Doctor of record - No Hospital etc etc…
You gave an answer (so why did you keep asking?), but you have not said how you know this. Do you have some source?
 
“Here is what the State of Hawaii’s official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: “The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.
Code:
 The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

 The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.
“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“

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If the records were released it would likely prove one or more of the following apply:
  1. Barack Obama Sr is not the natural father listed on the original COLB and his father is an unknown to the public at this time and was quite possibly a US citizen at the time of President Obama’s birth. This however would be incongruent with his “life story”.
  2. BHO Sr. was listed as the natural father and President Obama was a dual citizen at the time of his birth and remained so until the age of 23, according Kenyan law. No evidence to date has ever been presented that he formally rennounced his British/Kenyan citizenship.
  3. Obama was formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in HI and he assumed Indonesian citizenship which could negate his NBC status depending on one’s interpretation of the Constitution. The Dunham/Soetoro divorce decree listed two dependent children, one over 18 and one under 18. Why would Obama be listed if he had not been adopted by Soetoro in HI?
  4. If the above occurred, Obama would had to have submitted an administrative or court approved legal name change to the DoH to amend his birth certificate. If this occurred, the face of the birth certificate and the COLB must be identified as “amended”.
  5. Obama attended Occidental and possibly Columbia as a foreign student and received foreign student financial aid.
Just some things to consider
 
kimmielittle,

There is no reason to believe that the COLB is a forgery. In fact both Democratic and Republican governors and officials have seen the long form certificate on file and have certified that the COLB is accurate. So what you see there is certified. (raised seal and all.) So if something is off, it isn’t that there is a miss-match between the COLB and the long form.

When I speak of long form, I am talking about the one on record in Hawaii that has been attested to existing in a book in the archives. A long form from 1961 looks like this:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/2/26/20100501215947!1961_Hawaii_Certificate_Of_Live_Birth.jpg

A clearer copy of one from 2 years later is here:
greatdreams.com/2008/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

Now it is clear that Obama doesn’t want the original long form released. But it is a mystery to me why. Anyway the differences would have nothing to do with qualifying to be prisident.

The only items on the long form that are not on the short form that he released are:

Place of birth, address, time
Mother’s address, age and occupation
Father’s address, age and occupation
parent signiture
signiture and id of the attending physicians (if any)

Here they are next to each other
4.bp.blogspot.com/_1lGFYYNkw_o/S8YP4u6R3ZI/AAAAAAAAAoE/BM-cdmaw-Wo/s1600/!!obama-colb-vs-real-hawaiian-bc.jpg
 
They say there is always some truth in a conspiracy…“Something” just isn’t kosher…It could be so easily put to rest…There are so many more important issues to contend with…I would think answering this would deflate some unneeded pre election flak for him.
 
PROTECT FREEDOM OF SPEECH…(So we’ll know who the IDIOTS are).

They are sure crawling out from under their rocks for this one.

What does this non-issue have to do with this forum?

Separate church from state; please!
 
kimmielittle,

There is no reason to believe that the COLB is a forgery. In fact both Democratic and Republican governors and officials have seen the long form certificate on file and have certified that the COLB is accurate. So what you see there is certified. (raised seal and all.) So if something is off, it isn’t that there is a miss-match between the COLB and the long form.
They state they have seen the Long Form…BUT not what’s on the Long Form
The only items on the long form that are not on the short form that he released are:

Place of birth, address, time
Mother’s address, age and occupation
Father’s address, age and occupation
parent signiture
signiture and id of the attending physicians (if any)
And the above are what Mr Obama needs to prove eligibility. Along with Mother and Father’s Citizenship.

Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, SPECIFICALLY states, “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…” It’s NOT a technicality, or lunacy on the part of our Founding Fathers. It is a specific statement within a document that forms the basis for ALL of our laws and not open to interpretation (unless the entire Constitution should be now open to interpretation).

In order to be a “natural born citizen,” you must be born in the United States or, if you are born abroad, you CAN (if specific circumstances are met) inherit natural born status from your parents. If he was born abroad, then that’s a problem for Barack Hussein Obama because his father was NOT a citizen of the United States and his mother had not lived in the United States the required amount of time after attaining the age of majority when Obama was born - meaning SHE COULD NOT pass her citizenship on to Obama.

Not to confound or confuse the issue but here’s a complicating twist: the State of Hawaii permitted parents to obtain a “Certification of Live Birth” (the unreliable document that Obama produced and is falsely claiming is his birth certificate) EVEN IF THE CHILD WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII.

Below is the relevant statute:

“§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”

When queried, Dr Chiyome Fukino, with Hawaii’s Department of Health, stated: “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Again, this above ] doesn’t answer eligibility.

And Obama’s paternal grandmother said, she was present at Obama’s birth, which took place in Mombasa in what is now Kenya.

The Certificate Offered the American people doesn’t even meet the requirements for a passport.

Speaking of which:
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“'There’s the matter that Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn’t there at the time of Obama’s visit.”

“‘There’s another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn’t have been allowed in - since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department’s travel ban list for U.S. citizens… . If he couldn’t get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen.’”

What does all that mean? Simply put, if Obama was an American citizen, how did he travel to Pakistan?
 
It’s time to put another thing to rest, I think.

Many try to blame Conservatives / Republicans for “birther conspiracies”.

You may remember that the liberal media made a HUGE DEAL out of the fact that McCain was born in the Canal Zone, while his father, a Naval officer, was stationed there. The liberal media relentlessly questioned whether or not McCain met the constitutional test?

But John McCain - unlike Obama - released all relevant records.

While the Canal Zone was not American soil, McCain’s parents were both natural-born American citizens who had resided in the United States for the required number of years after having reached the age of majority. McCain was good to go. And born on a Navel Base.

Can we say the same for Obama? We don’t know. And the liberal media isn’t asking that question?

Strangely, it may have been the liberal media’s willingness to savage McCain over the issue that eventually brought this whole controversy to light.

When Obama’s grandmother claimed Obama was born in what is now Kenya, the McCain controversy was still fresh in the minds of people who wondered - and are still wondering - why the same standard was NOT being applied to Obama.

“Transparency and Open Government: My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.” - Barack Obama
 
They say there is always some truth in a conspiracy…“Something” just isn’t kosher…It could be so easily put to rest…There are so many more important issues to contend with…I would think answering this would deflate some unneeded pre election flak for him.
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They state they have seen the Long Form…BUT not what’s on the Long Form
No, the state has certified (both democrats and republicans) that what is on the COLB is also on the long form. And the state certified COLB says he was born in Hawaii.

That is enough to say that Obama was born in the USA. That makes him a natural born citizen.

I don’t know what you are looking for to be in the long form, but something that says he was born anywhere but Hawaii won’t be there or it would be on the COLB. So publishing the long form isn’t going to give you any evidence that he isn’t a natural born citizen.

We may be curious as to what is on the long form (and I have said what fields there are there in my previous post) but that is just curiosity. It doesn’t have anything to do with answering the question of whether he is a natural born citizen or not. That question has already been answered in the certified COLB with the fact that the certified COLB says his long form says he was born in Hawaii.
 
I don’t understand the fuss, if it is proved he wasn’t born here we get Biden no?

If that is the case, what a waste of energy!
 
NO–the founders had reasons for that requirement and I think they are sound reasons.
I wouldn’t count paranoia and xenophobia as “sound reasons” though they are venerable American traditions.

But who knows how many good candidates we’re losing out on? Dimla Rousseff, [sp?] the new president of Brasil is an immigrant; US-born Eamon deValera was a founding father of the Republic of Ireland.
 
There is no reason to believe that the COLB is a forgery. In fact both Democratic and Republican governors and officials have seen the long form certificate on file and have certified that the COLB is accurate.
Could you provide a source for that? My Google search is coming up bupkis (too much noise from political jammers).
 
No, the state has certified (both democrats and republicans) that what is on the COLB is also on the long form. And the state certified COLB says he was born in Hawaii.

That is enough to say that Obama was born in the USA. That makes him a natural born citizen.

I don’t know what you are looking for to be in the long form, but something that says he was born anywhere but Hawaii won’t be there or it would be on the COLB. So publishing the long form isn’t going to give you any evidence that he isn’t a natural born citizen.

We may be curious as to what is on the long form (and I have said what fields there are there in my previous post) but that is just curiosity. It doesn’t have anything to do with answering the question of whether he is a natural born citizen or not. That question has already been answered in the certified COLB with the fact that the certified COLB says his long form says he was born in Hawaii.
One can only go by Mr Obama’s track record.
Has He been less than hmmm… forthright in addressing American concerns before?

I can think of a few times. “No Federal Funding of Abortions”: - Yet, sent Federal Funds via The Mexico treaty to export abortions.

We have no record of Mr Abercombie’s record except that he got caught making hmmmm…mistaken statements before about seeing Mr Obama as a baby.
 
I don’t understand the fuss, if it is proved he wasn’t born here we get Biden no?

If that is the case, what a waste of energy!
I wish it were that simple 😦

Of course, I don’t agree that seeking truth or accountability from our representatives is a waste of energy.
 
Is it true : That a birth could be registered BY MAIL in Hawaii in 1961?
Can’t be certain about hawaii, but I know territorial Alaska certainly did allow birth registry by mail. Most villages don’t have a public records office, even now.
 
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