"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[seekerz]

Please don’t get me started on the Great American Dictator. Other people in this thread will get uupset with me.

Again.

Sorry, did you mean the Great American ________ (there must be a word for: do what I tell you, when I tell you, as I tell you and do it quick)?

 

[Charlotte408]

And you are personally creating this new requirement for presidents in honor of Obama becoming president? No wonder the world wants to come here…We get to be puppet-masters just by wishing upon a star? Really?

I didn’t personally create anything. It’s, as far as I know, always been the case that a President has to be 45, a US citizen, and a whole list of other things I haven’t got memorized.

 

[seekerz]

Yes, really. Because our system of government is the only one formulated where the people who form the government actually answer to the people that they govern. Unless you want a “presidency” like Venezuela. Is that what you want?

No government in human history (including American history) has ever acceded to any and all demands of its citizens. There is only one word for that kind of blanket ‘obedience’ and it’s not president.

 

[kimmielittle]

So, where does this leave all of your “research”?

Can you find fault with my research?

I provided evidence that a Long Form does Exist
I provided evidence that the state of Hawaii Has to allow Mr Obama a copy of it

I provided copies of the Long Form - It looks exactly like the one posted by the White House.

I showed the Difference between a “Certification of Birth” and the Long Form -This was proved correct by the White House Release.

I provided statues and government sources that Proved Mr Obama **could **produce this Long Form while Government Employees and posters implied he could not produce it.

That is research.

I’d say it’s more research than any commentary given here.

ANY Speculation exist ONLY because Mr Obama didn’t address this issue by producing it.

 

[seekerz]

I didn’t personally create anything. It’s, as far as I know, always been the case that a President has to be 45, a US citizen, and a whole list of other things I haven’t got memorized.

Go back and read your post. You basically admitted that you were asking for something (‘they should have’, I believe were your words) which had not been a requirement before, namely the production of a long form birth certificate.

 

[JHow]

Some are already asking questions.

Some of these are not too hard to guess at…

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document’s safety paper be so seamless?

The green pattern is the paper it is printed on. The printing is an image, a scan, of the orginal document, which is sewn into a book.

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

The document was recorded later. This happens all the time with deeds for real estate, for example. Government doesn’t work quickly.

 

[Hiskid1973]

However, this whole birther thing is a wrong headed attempt to try to figure out who this guy Barack Obama is.

Brother you bring a good point…We have a leader that wants to fundamentally change this country…He keeps, has in his past some pretty radical folk, and some out there as part of his administration…He wanted to have a standard of transparency…He seals records, he pushes
radical environment policy and other things that a lot of people don’t want…People really wonder who/what motivates his radical agenda…The birther issue is one way to address the problem but it’s like focusing on a gnat and letting camels run free…

 

[bbarrick8383]

So where do the fringe anti-Obamians go now? Some are already saying that the fact that his father is listed as Kenyan makes him ineligible - that is so clearly untrue that I don’t think it will catch fire. Others are saying this must be a forgery, but that seems too lame to become popular. The new chant might be over school records, but that seems an odd place for the fringe right to land, as they claim to be anti-elitist and so many of their leaders/heros have had somewhat checkered academic careers.

Maybe they will actually engage on the issues? Naw, that’s crazy.

Good grades does not make one an elitist.

 

[PatrickSebast]

If Obama spent time addressing every single conspiracy theory he wouldn’t have time to be President. Birthers just happened to get so numerous that it was legitimately damaging to Obama’s administration.

 

[seekerz]

If Obama spent time addressing every single conspiracy theory he wouldn’t have time to be President.

Hmm, that might be the whole point of some who cling to the issue despite all evidence to the contrary.

 

[iamrefreshed]

No government in human history (including American history) has ever acceded to any and all demands of its citizens. There is only one word for that kind of blanket ‘obedience’ and it’s not president.

A poor attempt at card playing.

 

[TMC]

Good grades does not make one an elitist.

True. What I meant was that the has been a lot of flapping on the fringe right about getting away from the academics and going with more regular folks. That seems at odds with caring what one’s grades were in college.

 

[seekerz]

Good grades does not make one an elitist.

I will be remembering that one for a long, long time. Might even put it in my signature, you know, in preparation for future discussions on the subject…

 

[seekerz]

A poor attempt at card playing.

You mean it’s not a game? Sorry.

 

[estesbob]

So where do the fringe anti-Obamians go now? Some are already saying that the fact that his father is listed as Kenyan makes him ineligible - that is so clearly untrue that I don’t think it will catch fire. Others are saying this must be a forgery, but that seems too lame to become popular. The new chant might be over school records, but that seems an odd place for the fringe right to land, as they claim to be anti-elitist and so many of their leaders/heros have had somewhat checkered academic careers.

Maybe they will actually engage on the issues? Naw, that’s crazy.

Where do the the Obama critics go? Where we have always been-pointing out that he is the most inept ,unqualified president in at least the last 50 years. Point out the great damages done to the country with his fiscal irresponsibility and incoherent apologize and appease foreign-policy. Continue to point out that one of the first things he did when he took office was make sure US funds could be used to pay for killing children overseas and that he has the most pro-abortion administration in history.

 

[iamrefreshed]

You mean it’s not a game? Sorry.

No, it’s serious.

 

[seekerz]

No, it’s serious.

I was under the mistaken (?) impression that the matter had been sort of settled, but we’re still seriously considering it you say?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Good grades does not make one an elitist.

Meh, I got a 3.85 in college. I guess I am an elitist now.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Some of these are not too hard to guess at…

True.

 

[kimmielittle]

This is just not true. The controversy started with a series of anonymous chain emails. It is widely speculated that they originated in Hillary Clinton’s campaign. However, there is no definitive proof that this is the case. Hillary’s camp was keen to let the issue simmer to a boil as they were trailing badly. They made comments that I characterize as half-birther. “Well, I assume he’s a US citizen but I’m not sure”. The Obama campaign very soon after released the Certificate that has generated so much energy among the Birther crowd.

The first recorded public account is here

factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_be_elected_president.html

Here are others.

Picking up on the Times piece, MSNBC.com ran a feature on the same day posing the question, “Born in the USA?”

The Wall Street Journal the same day published a Law Blog column asking: “Does John McCain Have a Birthplace Problem?”

CBS News speculated McCain’s eligibility question “could conceivably end up in before the Supreme Court,” adding the comment, “And you thought counting chads was a circus.”

The next day, the Times of London published a similar piece, “McCain’s Panama birth prompts eligibility probe by his campaign.”

NBC correspondent Pete Williams also published a piece Feb. 29, 2008, on the MSNBC website, “McCain’s citizenship called into question.”

“Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush aside questions – raised in the liberal blogosphere – about whether he is qualified under the Constitution to be president,” Williams wrote. “But many legal scholars and government lawyers say it’s a serious question with no clear answer.”

On April 10, 2008, ABC reporter Jake Tapper published a piece on the ABC News website in which he noted the Constitution “does not define ‘natural born citizen,’” pointing out that “McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to parents who were U.S. citizens, but some scholars have questioned that it suffices.”

Then, on April 11, 2008, the Wall Street Journal’s Law Blog published a piece noting that Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., introduced a non-binding resolution expressing McCain qualifies as a natural-born citizen under terms of the Constitution.

The Leahy-McCaskill resolution, ultimately passed by the Senate unanimously was co-sponsored by Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who at the time were competing for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination.

Even this was not enough to stop liberal activists and the mainstream media from continuing to keep alive questions about McCain’s eligibility.

In a Washington Post story May 2, 2008, reporter Michael Dobbs questioned whether the Senate’s unanimously passed resolution was sufficient to settle the matter of whether McCain was a natural-born citizen eligible to be president.

Dismissing the Senate resolution, Dobbs wrote that the Senate vote “is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.”

Dobbs noted at the time the article was published “three pending cases are challenging McCain’s right to be president” because even though both his parents were U.S. citizens, his father was in the Navy, and McCain was born at the U.S. Naval Station based in Coco Solo in the Panama Canal Zone on Aug. 29, 1939.

While acknowledging that a senior official of the McCain campaign had shown reporters a copy of McCain’s birth certificate issued by the Canal Zone hospital – something the Obama presidential campaign and presidency have so far refused to do – he questioned why McCain did not release the birth certificate to the press generally.

In addition to media scrutiny, McCain testified before a U.S. Senate committee and produced his long-form birth certificate for inspection.

On May 12, 2008, PolitiFact.com, a website that has dismissed questions about Obama’s eligibility, published an article authored by Robert Farley, “Was McCain born in the USA?”

Noting that the question of McCain’s eligibility is “rooted in legal opinions,” not in facts, PolitiFact.org begged off giving McCain’s eligibility question a truth rating, claiming its “customary True-False ratings don’t quite fit here.”

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