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Namesake
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In the entire history of humankind one billion is very small.
Maybe they found a truth that you haven’t yet discovered.
Which church is God's true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?
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AlegreFe
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It is not for us to understand but to believe. It is not without understanding that it is impossible to please God. Without FAITH it is impossible to please Him.
Ah but you see, it is plain & simple for those who believe. :yup: God just hasn’t given you the gift of faith yet. But if He wants you to have it, you will one day.
But God IS cool! He gives the gift of faith to us free of charge. With that faith I can believe everything He wrote in that book, and it IS simple for me. I sometimes find myself saying, “it’s so simple, why can’t they see that?” But I sometimes forget that those people just don’t have the gift of faith. I pray that God gives you the gift of faith soon. But all in God’s time.
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AlegreFe
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You obviously have no idea if you say the RCC pushes insults on people.
If the Catholic Church says that “your church” is not the true church it is not an aspersion, it is the truth. If the Catholic Church says that your false beliefs are not the true beliefs it is not an aspersion, it is fact. The Catholic Church does not attack anyone’s character but instead wants to convey truth. If you take it as an attack on your character then I guess it’s your conscience tugging on you. Just so you know, conveying the truth is not casting aspersions on anyone.
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Namesake
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I think you completely missed the point of what I was trying to convey. Let me try a different way.It is not for us to understand but to believe. It is not without understanding that it is impossible to please God. Without FAITH it is impossible to please Him.
Ah but you see, it is plain & simple for those who believe. :yup: God just hasn’t given you the gift of faith yet. But if He wants you to have it, you will one day.
But God IS cool! He gives the gift of faith to us free of charge. With that faith I can believe everything He wrote in that book, and it IS simple for me. I sometimes find myself saying, “it’s so simple, why can’t they see that?” But I sometimes forget that those people just don’t have the gift of faith. I pray that God gives you the gift of faith soon. But all in God’s time.
Why would this god of yours not provide the whole message in a way that obviated the need for lots of specialized knowledge to understand it?
Put another way, why would any god who wants all people to be saved through the message not make that message universally available? Why middle men like priests and intercessors like Mary and saints?
In a nut shell, why so complicated? People are mostly pretty simple and most are in the middle of the bell curve. So give those common ordinary people the way to salvation without a bunch of complexity. Why not? Why does a loving god put all that supercilious stuff in the mix?
I think I know. He doesn’t! People do that so they can have power, I think.
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cazayoux
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hehehe … uninformed in religion AND science.
Logic and reason are great tools … they work even better with knowledge.
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Namesake
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It’s not true at all because my old book says it isn’t true. And my old book is older than your old book so it is true and your old book isn’t true. Of course what my old book says about your old book isn’t aspersion, it’s true. Same for my church. If my church says your church is false then that isn’t aspersion, it’s true.
Do you understand that at all? Your belief is no more true than my belief. And that’s the truth.
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Tantum_ergo
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And while you expect us to accept that ‘your belief is no more true than my belief’ is a statement of fact according to ‘your belief’, we are not permitted to hold that “our belief is more true than your belief?”
That isn’t logical. Your statement attempts to ‘level out’ all beliefs into an ‘indifferent’ picture where one is no more, or no less, true than another. . .and by your contention, you seek to impose your ‘perception’ that this is not just ‘relatively true for YOU’ but make it absolutely true for all.
You then become hoist with your own petard. You cannot have it both ways.
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Namesake
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He was quite correct. Homo Neanderthalis (and Homo Erectus) probably were the hominids just before ( a couple of million years ago) Homo sapiens.
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COLOS
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You forgot the powerful Graces which give us the power to change what no other religion can.
It’s not about ego, not about my church is better than yours, but it’s about where the power of God works powerfully in those that He has brought to believe everything that He has given us.
I’ve come to the opinion that no one can believe in the Eucharist, in the doctrines of Our Blessed Mother, in the Communion of Saints (our brothers and sisters who have gone before us in the faith), or in any of the other Catholic teachings without being given the faith by God Himself. Position your mind and your soul to receive that grace, and you may just get it.
May the Lord bless you with grace, truth, and peace.
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SIA
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He’s right. It is just your opinion.
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COLOS
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Was it St. Augustine who said something along the lines of, “I thought I had the power within myself to control my sexual urges. But now I know that you cannot be chaste unless the Lord gives you chastity.” (paraphrase, there. I’m sure somebody has a more accurate quote. Pretty sure it was St Augustine…)
I tell ya, these graces blow me away. Thank God for the Rosary.
I tell ya, these graces blow me away. Thank God for the Rosary.
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Namesake
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So you deny the trinity of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva?
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Peter_J
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I’m afraid I do.
(Feel free to slap my wrist.)
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Peter_J
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Interesting. So basically, you and MDK are trying to give each other the same thing (except that you call it “reality” and he calls it “truth”).
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AlegreFe
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Oh brother :whacky: are you playing that 2nd grade game? What you say is nonsensical and I won’t waste any more time on this one.
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MDK
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We are not trying to give each other the same thing. Nothing could be further from the truth. One denies the Church and the other defends it.
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MDK
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Please learn what an in-between type actually is. Darwin indicated correctly that if his theory were true, there should be a very large number of “in-between types” found in fossils. If the forelimb of a reptile has turned into the wing of a bird, why don’t we find a series of fossils showing the stages… part reptile forelimb, then part wing, or part reptile scale, part bird feather… one type gradually evolving into or transitioning into the next. Darwin also said that the absence of such intermediate states was the “most obvious and serious objection” against his theory (Please note that evolution is simply a theory). To this day, we don’t have evidence of these in-between types or transitional types. The late Dr. Colin Patterson was Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History - and an evolutionist and fossil expert. He said that if he knew of any whether fossilized or living, he certainly would have published it.
So, you’ve apparently got something on the Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History who could not come up with any in-between types although he dearly would have liked to. You should apply for a job there. If they hired him, they’ll certainly hire you!
Many attempt to use evolution as a theory in an attempt to deny the existence of God. To try and deny God is the most fruitless of things one could pursue.
God’s existence is even more real to me than anything I can see with my eyes, hear with my ears, etc… any of the physical world He created. Although, having a creation demands there be a Creator.
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