Which denominations are most hostile to Catholicism?

[dianaiad]

I am Anti-Catholic. I know this cause a Catholic told me so.

Of course, if you consider comments anti, then I am anti just about anything you can think of religion wise, especially atheists and scientologists.

Well, a Catholic would know.

However, it isn’t ‘comments’ that do it. It’s “snarky comments.”

Just so you know.

 

[dianaiad]

The fact that this very site places Mormonism in the non Christian group of religions and that Protestants have ministries dedicated to refuting the cult of Mormonism speaks volumes.

yep. It means that some don’t think I’m a Christian. I disagree with them. (shrug) Could you give me one good reason why I, when I disagree with their doctrines and opinions about Christ, that I should meekly accept their judgment that I am not Christian?

1. You think that a star called Kalob is nearest the throne of God.

Cool. You know that Kolob is a star! That’s unusual…

1. You don’t believe in the trinity. You think the world has three separate deities.

Actually, that’s "the universe,’ not ‘the world,’ and while we do believe that They are three separate individuals, they are all God, not ‘gods.’ (shrug)

1. Men and women can become gods and goddesses.

What we believe regarding that may be found here: 1.
Rom. 8: 16-17 16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17:And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

We do take that quite literally, yes.

The ultimate goal of a Mormon is to become a deity through a process of exaltation. Lorenzo Snow stated: “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.”
Brigham Young stated: “The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like Himself.”

Yep, they said that.

1. Baptism by proxy-Through the process of vicarious ordinances, a Mormon’s dead, non-Mormon ancestors can be baptized by proxy into the church. They believe that such baptism gives their ancestors the choice to join, or reject, the Mormon faith. This can result in the growth of the Mormon’s family in the Celestial Kingdom. The doctrines of eternal families and eternal marriage are closely related to this work for the dead. Hundreds of millions of ancestors have been so processed.

I am impressed. Truly; no sarcasm, no argument; I am truly impressed so far. Most people who make lists like this are so off base by now that I’m ready to throw something. So far, though…you aren’t doing too badly.

In this article at Catholic Online, the Vatican warns against the baptism of the dead. It ordered Bishops to not allow Parish records to be given to genealogical societies of the Mormon Church.

their choice.

However, I am a little confused about that. After all, you have just reminded us that we believe that there is a CHOICE there: nobody for whom the proxy work is done need accept it, because it’s not a done deal–it’s an offer; a final knock upon the door. That’s our belief; that the choice is theirs and theirs alone. So there is no force involved even in our own perception of the thing.

Non-Mormons don’t believe that those for whom the work is done will ever know that it WAS done, because it is ineffective; useless, a waste of our time and record keeping.

So we have a weird thing going on here: Mormons are making an offer, and honestly believe that the people to whom we are making it have the absolute freedom to accept or reject it. Yet here the Catholics are refusing to allow genealogical records to be available to us, even though they believe that what we do is useless, and accuse us of disrespect. In the meantime, THEY are making the decisions for people; we aren’t.

Strange.

I’m sorry, I’m answering as I read, and I got sidetracked.

catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=27825

1. Jesus came to the Americas and mingled with the natives. Artwork in the LDS churches show Jesus with them.

Yes. We believe that. It’s in the Book of Mormon.

Any religion that adds to the Bible and church tradition is heresy.

According to whom?

Catholics, the Orthodox, and Protestants see you as a cult. If you had a Baptist church sharing with you, it wasn’t for their recognition of truth.

Not a bad list at all. You are closer to our beliefs than the vast majority of those who criticize. However, we come back to this question: so what?

All that makes us not- Catholic, and not-Protestant.

How does any of that make us non-Christian?

 

[agent_grey]

SDA without a question.

Oh… and Sedevacantists. But they see the religion of not long ago that is known as Catholic as the true religion And they continue to practice it as it was.

 

[CatherineofA]

In a nutshell, Mormons ADD to church tradition and Biblical truth. It wouldn’t take centuries for an American and eventual polygamist to let everyone in on truth. God wouldn’t leave millions out of the loop that long and then ‘voila!’ the complete truth is finally here in the good old USA with Joseph Smith. Mormonism is considered a cult and not Christian because it has so many teachings outside of what is traditionally accepted. You can’t be Christian when you’ve created your own faith and borrowed some of Christianity to wrap up the package. When there is the Bible and tradition and then something is added to it, it’s heresy and a cult.

 

[eucharisteo]

Recognizing that there are MANY exceptions at the “individual level” my personal experience has been that generally SDA churches or more openly anti-Catholicism than most other denominations. OF COURSE, I am NOT including all SDA members; I am simply saying that my experience has led me to conclude that generally, I will find a higher percentage of SDA members who are anti-Catholic.

An SDA co-worker and friend of mine handed me a cassette tape with all kinds of anti-Catholic rhetoric and total misunderstandings about Catholicism that made me sick. I wasn’t even Catholic. I told him what the scriptures meant by “anti-Christ”. He never responded. Later I helped him find a new job from our previous employer. He thanked me but hasn’t realized that I returned to my Catholic faith.

 

[dianaiad]

In a nutshell, Mormons ADD to church tradition and Biblical truth. It wouldn’t take centuries for an American and eventual polygamist to let everyone in on truth. God wouldn’t leave millions out of the loop that long and then ‘voila!’ the complete truth is finally here in the good old USA with Joseph Smith. Mormonism is considered a cult and not Christian because it has so many teachings outside of what is traditionally accepted. You can’t be Christian when you’ve created your own faith and borrowed some of Christianity to wrap up the package. When there is the Bible and tradition and then something is added to it, it’s heresy and a cult.

Sure you can. I mean, if you consider Protestants to be Christian…

 

[CatherineofA]

Sure you can. I mean, if you consider Protestants to be Christian…

Protestants are Christian because they have the same basics of the faith. Mormons don’t. They add to it.

 

[dianaiad]

Protestants are Christian because they have the same basics of the faith. Mormons don’t. They add to it.

…and what is it that Protestants did? Add, or subtract?

 

[Cinette]

…and what is it that Protestants did? Add, or subtract?

They did both really but they did not diminish Jesus. They believe in the Trinity and the Scriptures and as ChaterindofA said “the basics” They accepted his Word (although they believe in self-interpretation and have no Magisterium). They accept also a major essential that Jesus was fully Divine and fully Human. Again, they do not diminish Jesus in any way.

Protestants are Christians, for sure.

Cinette

 

[htk553]

I get attacked by Baptists and nondenoms the most. They accuse the Church of false doctrines and accuse Catholics of idolatry. The Baptists and nondenoms that I have dealt with are quick to judge, quick to damn, and hypocrites. Who are the real Christians here?

I work with a Baptist now nondenom preacher who is very judgmental of people outside of “his” church and of those inside “his” church. I have heard him complain of their tithes and low collection offerings. He complains of how they dress and who is “living in sin” according to him. He says that one man should not be in charge of a church (ie the Pope). Yet this preacher is the sole charge of “his” church…hmmm…a double standard?

He lays down insult after insult about the Catholic faith. He quotes scripture (from a protestant bible of course)about how wrong the Catholic faith is. I have never stooped to his level and I never will. His judgment will come from above.

I have never and will never judge anyone of their faith choice. I am no one to judge, for I am just a mortal man. Judgment comes from God not men.

Disclaimer: Not all Baptists and nondenoms act this way. Just the ones that I have dealt with.

 

[Bill_Pick]

I Remember About 12 Years Ago The Baptist Send About 300 To Sl To Save The Mormon From Hell,that Was From Va.

 

[dianaiad]

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Disclaimer: Not all Baptists and nondenoms act this way. Just the ones that I have dealt with.

I absolutely love this.

Can I use it? it’s delicious.

 

[dianaiad]

I Remember About 12 Years Ago The Baptist Send About 300 To Sl To Save The Mormon From Hell,that Was From Va.

It was ten years ago, there were a bunch more than 300, and it was fun.

As it turns out, the Baptists probably shouldn’t have done it; there is some evidence that as a result of that conference, the Mormons got more Baptists to convert than the Baptists got Mormons.

The problem is, of course, that they were scared to death of us; their attitude all during that conference was one of missionaries coming to convert the cannibals: martyrs out to convert the heathen—we just patted them upon the head, gave them milk and cookies and sent them home.

 

[htk553]

I absolutely love this.

Can I use it? it’s delicious.

feel free

 

[Cinette]

It is an undeniable fact that the Catholic Church is always under attack. Jesus said that the evil one would do this.

It makes no sense for one who considers himself Christian to attack and spread lies about others - it is a sin in fact.

For years there have been individuals who call themselves Christian and have made it a career to attack, spread downright lies and call names. Hundreds of books have been written expanding on these lies. If anyone thinks that God would look kindly on such attacks they need to rethink and do a thorough examination of conscience. I have this to say to those people who are culpable “When you look at the sum total of your life and see that it can be summed up in one word “Destruction” how can you not see that you are in fact an agent of the evil one?”

The Catholic Church would not do such a thing and looks upon all Christians as part of the Body of Christ (some are “separated brethren” but possess part of the truth).

Any worthy individual who is interested in truth should go all out to find it. History and the Scriptures are a good place to begin. Prayer is key.

“To thy own self be true” said Shakespeare. God has given us a mind to think and we should not just repeat what others say. We need to think deeply and draw our own conclusions always seeking God’s help of course. That is what the Holy Spirit is there for - to build us up.

Thank you

 

[William_M]

CatherineofA tells us, in post #91, that on 10/9/2008, an appeals court held that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not Protestant.

As a lawyer and a Mormon, I have two comments. 1. I am pleased that the court got it right. 2. I am glad CatherineofA gave the court’s decision a little publicity.

We are absolutely NOT Protestants and, being imperfect, I sometimes get a little tired of being thought to be a Protestant. I am surprised by how many people still think that we are Protestant.

Let me share something Joseph Smith wrote about Protestants:

“The old Catholic church traditions are worth more than all you have said.Here is a principle of logic that most men have no more sense than to adopt.I will illustrate it by an old apple tree. Here jumps off a branch and says, I am a true tree, you are corrupt. If the whole tree is corrupt, are not its branches corrupt? If the Catholic religion is a false religion, how can any true religion come out of it? If the Catholic church is bad, how can any good thing come of it? The character of the old churches have always been slandered by all apostates since the world began.”

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith page 389.

Like I said, we are not Protestant. Not Catholic either. Just Christian.

 

[wooka64]

Well I Used to very hostile Twords Catholics but I’m not so

much. For two reason i Study the bible more learned the Truth

that a brother is a brother as long as they accept Christ. I dont

believe in going to confess my sins to the pop or priest cause

according to my faith everyman can come to god Through Jesus

early Christian and the bible been doing this. Jesus is the olny

Pope we need.

My Dad used to be Catholic before i was born. And Catholic Help

my mom. So back then when i was Hostile I did not know any

better.

The olny thing i don’t like about Cathlics is praying to Marry to

get to god. I olny have one thing to say. where in the bible does it

say i can do that? Correct me if im wrong but only Jesus said

you can **only come to my Father Through Me. ** John 14:6

 

[benedictus2]

lost faith, and realized I was hypocrite. Decided best to not call myself something I might not be and make god angry, and I might become a Christian someday when I am less violent and less angry.

Hi CK,

Read this response of yours and I felt quite sad.

Your post just touched me and I thought I would let you know and that I will pray for you so that whatever anger you may have inside may subside. You will not be able to get rid of that anger but God’s love will help you relinquish all that is making you angry. But it will take time.

And remember, just because you are angry and have lost faith does not mean you are any less a Christian. You may be finding it hard to live up to Christian ideals but hey who doesn’t. There is not one single person in this forum who is not a sinner.

Your sins do not make you any less a Christian. God loves you just as much now as before. It is only our perception of His love that changes. His love remains constant.

God does not expect us to be good so He can love us. God loves us into goodness.

Your being a Christian does not depend on you but on the utterly unmerited love and grace of Christ.

And don’t worry. He knows that you cannot follow him 100% all the time. But just look at Him on the cross, making excuses for our sins while He hung there dying. Absolutely no condemnation at all of those who put Him to death. Which by the way includes you and me.

 

[po18guy]

(edited for length) We are absolutely NOT Protestants and, being imperfect, I sometimes get a little tired of being thought to be a Protestant. I am surprised by how many people still think that we are Protestant.

Let me share something Joseph Smith wrote about Protestants:

“The old Catholic church traditions are worth more than all you have said.Here is a principle of logic that most men have no more sense than to adopt.I will illustrate it by an old apple tree. Here jumps off a branch and says, I am a true tree, you are corrupt. If the whole tree is corrupt, are not its branches corrupt? If the Catholic religion is a false religion, how can any true religion come out of it? If the Catholic church is bad, how can any good thing come of it? The character of the old churches have always been slandered by all apostates since the world began.”

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith page 389.

Like I said, we are not Protestant. Not Catholic either. Just Christian.

Christian? Au contraire, counselor! You use the name of the Savior, but you mean something completely different. JS redefined Christ into his own novel concept. Since no one in human history has ever uttered anything remotely similar to what JS wrote, the LDS is more correctly “Smithian”.

That is why it is of little value to discuss faith with a Mormon, as they speak a different language from all other religions. They are allowed to use lies and deception in the furtherance of the LDS organization. Rather than it being a sin to lie for the church, it is a strategy to gain converts.

Who is a liar and the father of lies? I would refer to the bible here, but that is a corrupt Catholic product.

The LDS had better discard the KJV, because the bible in all of its versions is a Catholic document and every word in it was approved by a pope. And, by Joe’s own words, if the tree is corrupt, are not all of its branches corrupt? You cannot call the Catholic Church corrupt, then rely on the book it gave the world.

You cannot have it both ways, unless you are deceiving, lying or perhaps just confused.

 

[dianaiad]

Christian? Au contraire, counselor! You use the name of the Savior, but you mean something completely different. JS redefined Christ into his own novel concept. Since no one in human history has ever uttered anything remotely similar to what JS wrote, the LDS is more correctly “Smithian”.

That is why it is of little value to discuss faith with a Mormon, as they speak a different language from all other religions. They are allowed to use lies and deception in the furtherance of the LDS organization. Rather than it being a sin to lie for the church, it is a strategy to gain converts.

Who is a liar and the father of lies? I would refer to the bible here, but that is a corrupt Catholic product.

The LDS had better discard the KJV, because the bible in all of its versions is a Catholic document and every word in it was approved by a pope. And, by Joe’s own words, if the tree is corrupt, are not all of its branches corrupt? You cannot call the Catholic Church corrupt, then rely on the book it gave the world.

You cannot have it both ways, unless you are deceiving, lying or perhaps just confused.

Perhaps we should begin another thread: 'which denominations are more hostile to people of any faith but their own?"