Which is the greater sin, fornication or abortion?

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Elizabeth B.:
This is inconsistent with Catholic Doctrine which says that hell is the eternal separation from God. (CCC 1035).
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It is consistent with Catholic theology to say that the pains of the damned differ in degree. Also, the pain of loss is not usually considered to be the only pain in hell. The CCC refers to it as the “chief” punishment, not the “only” punishment. The pain of the fire (sense) is also included in most presentations.

The easiest reference for me to dredge up is the old Catholic Encyclopedia here
VIII. CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PAINS OF HELL
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(1) The pains of hell differ in degree according to demerit. This holds true not only of the pain of sense, but also of the pain of loss. A more intense hatred of God, a more vivid consciousness of utter abandonment by Divine goodness, a more restless craving to satisfy the natural desire for beatitude with things external to God, a more acute sense of shame and confusion at the folly of having sought happiness in earthly enjoyment – all this implies as its correlation a more complete and more painful separation from God.
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It is consistent with Catholic theology to say that the pains of the damned differ in degree. Also, the pain of loss is not usually considered to be the only pain in hell. The CCC refers to it as the “chief” punishment, not the “only” punishment. The pain of the fire (sense) is also included in most presentations.

The easiest reference for me to dredge up is the old Catholic Encyclopedia here
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Thank you for the correction. One reason I come to this forum is I always learn something. 🙂
 
Which is worse, to bulldoze your house and burn the remains

OR

To blow up the house with a case of dynamite?
 
the way your poll question is stated, you seem to consider the sin (if any) all on the side of the woman. It takes two to tango. Being unmarried and pregnant is not, by itself, objectively sinful. Depends on how she got that way, which may involve duress or force or lack of full consent necessary for mortal sin. On the part of the man, the act is always sinful. Situations where he is under duress are few and far between. Many fathers have no say-so in whether their child is aborted, but many abortions are also because the girl is under pressure from parents, boyfriend, spouse or others. sin requires full knowledge and consent as well as grave matter.
 
The Church does make the distinction between the two. A woman who has an abortion, or anyone who helps in any way knowingly, are automatically excommunicated. Whereas, a fornicator is not excommunicated.
 
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zootjeff:
Speaking of death,

My cousin was pregnant, went in for a checkup and they said the fetus didn’t have a heart beat. It had been dead for a couple weeks. She was so sad.

They did the same procedure they do for abortions at that point.
Technically she had an abortion, that is she aborted a dead fetus. Is everyone on this board going to hate her?
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NO. Because the child within her womb was already dead.

Instead we’re going to grieve that she wasn’t able to carry to term and that she wasn’t able to get to know her child as a person and get to know her accompishments or her trials and tribulations.

And, when she gets pregnant again, we will want to pray for her so that she may not have to endure this heartbreak again.

Why would you think that your fellow Catholics, who wish to preserve life rather than to take life, were monsters, and would not understand your sister’s grief and pain?

In Him, Michael
 
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TheGarg:
Both can be mortal[if you meet the criteria for mortal sin], therefore both can possibly send someone to Hell. IF the end result is the same, how you get there is irrelevent, therefore they are equal.
if a = x and b = x then a = b, i can’t remember what math thingy[Logic maybe, er Discreet Math] that is called, maybe a math guru could identify that for me…😉

May the Peace of the Lord be with you,
Christ Love
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You were probably thinking of the transitive property from propositional logic:

if p->q and q->r, then p->r. Good try. 😉
 
well, lets see… one sin… two people are doing the married thing… and they aren’t married… :eek:

the other sin, someone has to die for the convenience of someone else… :bigyikes:

you tell me :cool:
 
No they’re not. Abortion is murder. Fornication is acting upon lust. Murder is worse than lustful actions.

Adam Costanzo said:
They’re just as bad.
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ktm:
You were probably thinking of the transitive property from propositional logic:

if p->q and q->r, then p->r. Good try. 😉
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what he’s trying to prove is : if p->r and q → r then p = q which is a fallicy
 
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abcdefg:
I don’t believe all mortal sins are equal. there’re different punishment in hell, for different sins. if an unwed mother and a women who performed both fornification and abortion die without confession, who’ll be punished more in hell? suppose in this world every kind of offence, no matter theft or serial killing, are all punished with the same death penalty. there’s every reason for criminals to commit the biggest crime possible.
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I don’t believe you will find any reference to levels of Hell. You do find reference for Heaven. My fathers house has many rooms, and the right and left are reserved. Mortal sin is a rejection of God’s Love. Since he is perfect you are rejecting all of Him not just a part. Heavens levels are different in that your capacity to know, love and serve God are dependent on what you learn on earth of God.
 
I voted None of the Above because there is not enough information given.
 
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Ignatius:
what is fornification?
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From the movie/musical Paint Your Wagon:

Preacher:" …and the evils of fornication…"

First miner: “What’s fornication?”

*Second miner: *“I don’t know, ain’t a religious man.”
 
Fornication is sexual relations outside of marriage. Such as two unmarried people having sex, they’re both fornicating. Also, for example, a married man have sex with an unmarried woman is another case of fornication. Whats worse is that the man is also committing adultery, since he’s married.

Oh and, if p doesnt differ significantly from q, and if q doesnt differ significantly from r, it is not necessarily true that **p **doesnt differ significantly from r. It matters what level of significance you’re testing for. I have no idea how this is relevant, though.
 
To the 24 people who didn’t say abortion, I have a followup question:

What is the greater sin, missing Mass on a Holy Day or killing 500,000 people.

I bet a get a couple of these folks who choose the Holy Day!
 
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