Which is the greater sin, fornication or abortion?

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I dont know if I should post this question here but, I have heard women say that they deeply regret having abortions and have confessed to their priests what they have done. Do you think that God has forgiven them for what they have done???
 
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sarai:
I dont know if I should post this question here but, I have heard women say that they deeply regret having abortions and have confessed to their priests what they have done. Do you think that God has forgiven them for what they have done???
Yes. If the priest looses your bindings, acting in the name of God and His Church, you are forgiven. Parish priests have the official discretion to forgive abortion under certain circumstances.

From direct reports from women in this situation, it seems they sometimes do not forgive themselves, and can be tempted to confess the same sin multiple times.

Alan
 
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abcdefg:
how’s an unwed mother compared with married couples who have abortions?
I didnt read any of the other posts besides this one so if anyone said this sorry I repeated it, but we know that the Lord is merciful no matter what the sin. As long as we are truely sorry and go to confession then no matter what the sin is it will be forgiven, so I do not think we need even argue over which is more serious. They are both mortal sins no matter which is great or lesser.

God Bless, Kerri
 
OK, confession time here. As one who was in this situation three times(don’t ask-I was not in a healthy emotional state during those years) I’d definitely have to say abortion. I didn’t have any abortions, even though the father of the first two wanted me to abort the 2nd one. I told him that “I would rather kill you than kill my child” Unfortunately, I had two miscarriages. The third child, after a rather difficult pregnancy, made it to term and now I have an almost 7 year old (mouthy) little boy. God brought something good out of my sin. An abortion would have made things so much worse.
 
In the “ideal” case of fornication and abortion, abortion is the greater sin.

Fornicating with strangers may likely lead to abortion, so this would carry the additional weight of bringing about abortion in the long run.

However, on their own, as isolated sins, abortion and fornication can’t be compared. Fornicators don’t necessarily kill anyone. Now, typically fornication is committed by people who will have an abortion if pregnancy occurs and, after all, without fornication there would be no question of abortion, but abortion needs to be a separate sin from fornication if we are comparing the two. Therefore, the often-happening causational relation between fornication and abortion is not to be considered. Therefore, abortion is a greater sin.
 
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chevalier:
Fornicators don’t necessarily kill anyone.
They may kill themselves. The wages of sin is death – eternal death.
 
Committing mortal sins harms the soul, risking eternal death, but the gravity of mortal sins is not equal for all mortal sins.

For example, I don’t believe it’s the same if people live in concubinage and if they sleep with the whole football team. Genocide must be graver than homicide. And so on. I am speaking of material gravity. Individual extenuating circumstances may apply.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
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A desperate, confused young woman kills a very young baby who probably feels less pain than a baby being circumcized, thus sending its soul directly to heaven, and she’s excommunicated. Why? Maybe because we still haven’t given up the mentality of stoning the prostitute?

Alan
Actually, the unborn child feels much more pain than the one being circumcised. Watch The Silent Scream. Also, they now give babies numbing meds. so he doesn’t feel pain during the circ. My son slept right through his.
 
Momofone:
Actually, the unborn child feels much more pain than the one being circumcised. Watch The Silent Scream. Also, they now give babies numbing meds. so he doesn’t feel pain during the circ. My son slept right through his.
I won’t contest that. Personally I don’t remember my own circ, so I don’t have any first hand knowledge. 🙂

Alan
 
Sister Angela, a great Sister of St. Joseph, told us back in the 1971 that even if it is through sin that a child comes to be that unique individual was planned by God from before time began. So even though we may choose to sin, God is the author of life and permits that child to be…the deadlier sin would be for us to choose to kill God’s creation. This was when abortion was legal in New York but before Roe vs. Wade. I’ve never forgotten that way of looking at it.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
Personally I don’t remember my own circ, so I don’t have any first hand knowledge. 🙂

Alan
Me neither.:rotfl: My parents told me a story about the hospital sending them a bill for my circumcision. My dad called the hospital and told them that if they did a circumcision, they took off too much, because “she’s a girl!” :rotfl:
 
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snowgarden:
Sister Angela, a great Sister of St. Joseph, told us back in the 1971 that even if it is through sin that a child comes to be that unique individual was planned by God from before time began. So even though we may choose to sin, God is the author of life and permits that child to be…the deadlier sin would be for us to choose to kill God’s creation. This was when abortion was legal in New York but before Roe vs. Wade. I’ve never forgotten that way of looking at it.
A MOST EXCELLENT POST. THIS WAS A WISE NUN!👍
 
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snowgarden:
Sister Angela, a great Sister of St. Joseph, told us back in the 1971 that even if it is through sin that a child comes to be that unique individual was planned by God from before time began.
That is so bizarre. If you sin and get pregnant, then know that what you were doing was following God’s plan exactly.

If you hadn’t have sinned like that, then God’s will would not have been done. Oh wait a minute, that can’t be right either. :hmmm:

God’s will is whatever happens, including sin? Hmmm…

Makes me wonder where we’d all be if Judas decided not to betray Jesus at the last minute. Then again, Jesus did tell Judas to go do what he had to do, so Judas was only following Christ’s orders, right? :ehh:

If everything happens according to God’s plan, then is there even such a thing as sin? God’s plan for people evidently was that Adam would fall. 😛

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
That is so bizarre. If you sin and get pregnant, then know that what you were doing was following God’s plan exactly.

If you hadn’t have sinned like that, then God’s will would not have been done. Oh wait a minute, that can’t be right either. :hmmm:

God’s will is whatever happens, including sin? Hmmm…

Makes me wonder where we’d all be if Judas decided not to betray Jesus at the last minute. Then again, Jesus did tell Judas to go do what he had to do, so Judas was only following Christ’s orders, right? :ehh:

If everything happens according to God’s plan, then is there even such a thing as sin? God’s plan for people evidently was that Adam would fall. 😛

Alan
I think the point the nun was making was that God knew the person was going to have pre-marital/extra-marital sex, not that He willed it. God tends to make much good come out of sin, whether it is a child, or our own emotional/spiritual growth, or healing. Whatever He knows we need! Gotta love a God like that! God didn’t will for me to sin, but He knew I would. Why He gave me such a blessing as my son, I don’t know, but I know that my child is NOT a mistake, even though what his father and I did was wrong.
 
Momofone:
I think the point the nun was making was that God knew the person was going to have pre-marital/extra-marital sex, not that He willed it. God tends to make much good come out of sin, whether it is a child, or our own emotional/spiritual growth, or healing. Whatever He knows we need! Gotta love a God like that! God didn’t will for me to sin, but He knew I would. Why He gave me such a blessing as my son, I don’t know, but I know that my child is NOT a mistake, even though what his father and I did was wrong.
I tend to agree. We were not married yet when our first son was born, but I guarantee he’s a keeper. He’s 18 now. I don’t regret having him, but of course I am all against premarital sex now that we have four teenagers. 😛

Alan
 
This is like such a dum question! Everybody has sex but not everyone has an abortion.
 
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Sylvia22:
This is like such a dum question! Everybody has sex but not everyone has an abortion.
It’s interested to learn that everybody has sex. I always used to think that “everybody” would include Mary and Joseph.

Incidentally, there is no such word as “dum.”

There is a dum-dum, a type of bullet.

Perhaps “dumb” is the word you were looking for?

Alan
 
Not everybody has sex. I don’t. I’ve never had. I don’t ever want to unless I’m married. If actually I’m ever married.

About the same what I reply when people claim that “99% of men masturbate and 1% are lying”.
 
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chevalier:
Not everybody has sex. I don’t. I’ve never had. I don’t ever want to unless I’m married. If actually I’m ever married.

About the same what I reply when people claim that “99% of men masturbate and 1% are lying”.
I agree. There are very few absolute statements one can make about human behavior. I’ve always thought the statement you quoted was kind of cute.

Besides, as a former math teacher, I can see there is a problem with the numbers. It’s more like 89% masturbate, 1% do not, and 10% are lying.

Alan
 
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chevalier:
Not everybody has sex. I don’t. I’ve never had. I don’t ever want to unless I’m married. If actually I’m ever married.

About the same what I reply when people claim that “99% of men masturbate and 1% are lying”.
all men don’t masturbate?
 
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