Which Islam is the “true” Islam?

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chb03c:
This thread has gotten out of control a bit. It is suppose to discuss which sect of Islam is the correct form and why. This isn’t about wheather or not there should be a Pope in Islam. If you want to discuss that start a new thread.
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I’m curious about father cest, he speaks quite controversial as a priest and I just wanted to know …as catholic who lives as a dhimi…

what about youself? dont you have something to say about the the true Islam here? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
George Waters:
As has been so often stated on this forum, we should not judge a religion on the adherents of that faith and we should not judge the religion on the actions of nations claiming to be that religion. The only way to judge a religion if by it’s teachings. But who decides what are the true teachings of that religion?
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Why ever not though ?​

If we can’t judge a religion by the behaviour of those who claim to follow it, we have no way to tell whether it is, in practice, good or evil or mixed. Its ethical claims, if it makes any, are simply meaningless, if they can’t be tested in real life.

I think it is entirely wrong to separate teachings from life - the head and the heart can’t be divided without there beimng a schism between them - a division which is wrong, because unnatural; they are meant to go together; not to be cut off from each other. ##
The Quran has been interpreted in different ways. On one hand you have those who claim Islam is a peaceful religion and on the other hand you have Muslims murdering in the name of Allah. Which way reflects the true teachings of Islam?

I know a Muslim will be quick to point out that the Bible can be interpreted in different ways as well. I do not dispute this. All Christian faiths are either those that broke away from the Catholic faith or are versions of a denomination that broke away from the Catholic faith. As such I believe the Catholic faith to be the rightful heir to the true teachings of Christ and as such the true teachings of Christianity.

Which is the true Islam? The peaceful Islam or the Islam that will use force and violence to see the world Muslim? Which Islam posses the true teachings of Mohammed?
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Maybe the answer is more complicated than that - maybe the different strands of Islam preserve, and reject, bits that others reject, or preserve. There may be several right answers. I’m guessing.​

 
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Muslim:
wahabi is salafi… and they are part of sunni just as hanafi…
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Is that a rap song or an answer? I just like the way it kind of rhymes. 😛
 
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Eden:
Is that a rap song or an answer? I just like the way it kind of rhymes. 😛
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yep it is… i am going for the grammies this year.
actually i just got a rhymein my head, but its very sick and offensive…and unlike most people here i am not here to bash another religion…
 
Eden said:
👍 :cool:
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yeah you see… we Muslims are not that scary and bad after all… we all have the same goal in life… to be slaves of the entertainment industry… :eek:
 
Would any Muslim like to offer their opinion to my original question? I offered mine about Christianity, would anyone like to reciprocate with Islam?
 
Cyber Knight:
I’m curious about father cest, he speaks quite controversial as a priest and I just wanted to know …as catholic who lives as a dhimi…

what about youself? dont you have something to say about the the true Islam here? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I think I am like most people and don’t know what to think about Islam. I see and hear so many conflicting stories and doctorines. I am sure other people are confused about Christianity just the same (36,000+ denomenations). I was hoping the Muslims on this forum would shed some light onto the subject.
 
Why not read some good books on the subject? For starters I recommend Marshall Hodgson’s 3-volume *The Venture of Islam. *I’ve recently started the third volume. Hodgson has cleared up a lot of stuff for me–most recently I learned how Iran (and parts of Iraq) became solidly Shiite (it happened in the 16th century under the Safavid Persian Empire).

Edwin
 
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chb03c:
I think I am like most people and don’t know what to think about Islam. I see and hear so many conflicting stories and doctorines. I am sure other people are confused about Christianity just the same (36,000+ denomenations). I was hoping the Muslims on this forum would shed some light onto the subject.
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I have been guilty of Muslim bashing. I now realize that I can dislike the religion without disliking its members. I believe all Muslims are misguided souls and I have resolved to pray for their conversion.
 
So am I to gather that the true Islam is relative to the particular form of Islam practiced by the Muslim answering the question? I was told there is only one Islam, but it seems that is like saying there is only one Protestant denomination.
 
George Waters:
So am I to gather that the true Islam is relative to the particular form of Islam practiced by the Muslim answering the question? I was told there is only one Islam, but it seems that is like saying there is only one Protestant denomination.
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Or more precisely, one Christian church (since “Christianity” is a more appropriate entity to compare with “Islam” as a whole).

No major religion exists in only one form. “Religions” are large umbrellas–except for the very small religions, though even they often manage to have several forms.

Edwin
 
George Waters:
So am I to gather that the true Islam is relative to the particular form of Islam practiced by the Muslim answering the question? I was told there is only one Islam, but it seems that is like saying there is only one Protestant denomination.
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i have said it before… Islam is just true Islam… anyone that follows it…there are MINOR differences and differences among some laws…but other than that everyones the same…
 
This question is kinda remind me of this joke.

Here is a favorite, gleaned from an Islamic website: A man was walking across a bridge one day, and he saw another man standing on the edge, about to jump off and commit suicide. He immediately ran over and said, “Stop! Don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” the other replied. The man said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!” “Like what?” “Well … are you religious or atheist?” “Religious.” “Me too! Are you Muslim, Christian or Jewish?” “Muslim.” “Me too! Sunni or Shi’ite?” “Sunni.” “Me too! Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi or Maliki?” “Hanafi.” “Wow! Me too! Do you follow Sheikh Fulaan al-Fullani or Sheikh Kaza Kazah?” “Sheikh Fulaan al-Fullani.” To which the first man said, “What?!! Die, heretic scum!” and pushed him off.

So, there you go!
 
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Muslim:
i have said it before… Islam is just true Islam… anyone that follows it…there are MINOR differences and differences among some laws…but other than that everyones the same…
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Follows what?

If you believe different things, then that is two different religions. Vastly similar yes, but still, two different religions.

Do you believe Catholics are muslims? No? But some of our beliefs are the same?

Either all are united and believe in one thing, or they dont. If they do not, then that is not one religion. If i picked up a Quran and took my own teachings from it, would I be a muslim? What about if, from the Quran, I decided that Jesus was the Son of God, and was in fact, Himself God.

Would you still consider me a muslim?

When you have muddied the line, and said “As long as we basically believe the same thing” you must realise that you no longer believe in one faith. You believe in multiple ways to the truth.

As Catholics, we acknowledge our obedience to the pope. We have one faith. Every Catholic in the world believes in exactly the same thing. If they do not then they are NOT Catholic. Truth is unity.

The Quran might be beautiful yes, but the devils are quite capable of producing beautiful poetry if it pulls people down to hell.

One, HOLY, CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

Instituted by God Himself. Surely God would not send an angel to deliver his message to the world without a rule of thumb as to what was necessary for salvation.

In Christ

Andre.
 
Most nice quotes about Muhammad done by scholars are by people with a secularist agenda. Most of its politically correct lies. The burden of proof is really on those to show that Muhammad was a goodman, which he was not. Muhammad was an evil man, and there’s too many information now out there that we have that makes it impossible to deny it. I now challenge all Muslims and their apologists to go to this site. This is the truth about Muhammad:

answering-islam.org/Silas/demons.htm
 
Magicsilence,

You aren’t seriously asking anyone to believe that all Catholics have identical beliefs, are you?

Edwin
 
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Muslim:
i have said it before… Islam is just true Islam… anyone that follows it…there are MINOR differences and differences among some laws…but other than that everyones the same…
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Muslim,

I think there is a MAJOR difference between a peaceful Islam and an Islam that will use force to convert people to Islam. So, I ask again; which is the true Islam, the peaceful Islam or the Islam that will use force and violence to see the world Muslim? Which Islam posses the true teachings of Mohammed? That can’t be the same Islam when they are contradictory.
 
Let me share from my experience with the muslims

There are good and peacefull muslims. This we called when they have nothing to do with the non muslims. Once the problem arise between two sides then using violent is nothing wrong as per their book it is ok to kill the unbelievers (which is non muslims). Quran itself always contradict for what it says. One verse it says that ‘if you kill one person, its as if you kill the entire society. Other verse say kill and slay the unbeliever wherever you find them. some experts say the first verse was revealed before Muhammad hijrah (moved out) to madinah (or mecca? I forget) and the second verse when he’s there. But for I know so far, muslims use the Quranic verses to justify their action. When someone believe that God has order him to kill kaffirs/unbelievers/the enemy of allah, or kaffirs/infidels’ blood is ok to be killed then conscience speaks nothing. Unlike Christianity, that real message of Jesus is Love, Islam’s real message is to make the entire world Ummah and convert as many people as they can, by hook or by crook. I know Jesus also asking us to make all the nation become his disciples but it doesnt mean we have to force our faith to others moreover violently. Islam mean submission. And of course, submission is against humanity. We are free people. When we finally do not believe the faith we used to believe, they have no rights to kill us. I see in Islam, it is better to be muslim’s bad person rather than an apostate. And the Quran makes it clear what to do with the apostates.
 
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