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inJESUS
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and i’ve got a meditteranean blood
but what matters is Jesus’ blood …this blood is SO precious and is worthy of all insults we are to face for Him 
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but what matters is Jesus’ blood …this blood is SO precious and is worthy of all insults we are to face for Him
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Booklover
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and i’ve got a meditteranean blood
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Joseph_Alison
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Salaam Vickie;
Booklover:
I did not compare, I merely brought to you something you might want to look at and ponder.
I am honest with you, the literal idea that someone died for the sins of others is repugnant to me to say the least and I reject it with all the strength Allah (SWT) gave me.
If it is said that someone died for the sins of people in the sense that he brought a message which would save them if they follow it, but in the process he was persecuted because of that message and killed, then yes that idea is more logical and acceptable ; in this case the salvation is by following the message and I would hold the one who brought that message in high esteem ( which I do with Jesus (PBUH) being a messenger); but the idea is not acceptable in the literal sense, every soul is responsible for its own deeds.
Muhammad (PBUH) brought a message, he was persecuted because of it, I therefore consider that Muhammad (PBUH) was persecuted for me and I hold the man in high esteem as do every Muslim who declares to be one.
Muhammad (PBUH) worshiped the Creator whose attributes are found in the Qur’an. Do you think he was deluded thinking he worshiped the creator while he was not?
The reading of the Qur’an leaves no doubt that the Being whose attributes are described in the Qur’an is the Creator, the Master of the universe; you think we are wrong believing this? I am very happy to be wrong.
I am sorry to have started you. I have a lot of esteem for you.
Salaam.
Joseph.
I am the only one responsible and accountable for what I write, Muslims Scholars are innocents from my mischief.
I did not compare, I merely brought to you something you might want to look at and ponder.
I am honest with you, the literal idea that someone died for the sins of others is repugnant to me to say the least and I reject it with all the strength Allah (SWT) gave me.
If it is said that someone died for the sins of people in the sense that he brought a message which would save them if they follow it, but in the process he was persecuted because of that message and killed, then yes that idea is more logical and acceptable ; in this case the salvation is by following the message and I would hold the one who brought that message in high esteem ( which I do with Jesus (PBUH) being a messenger); but the idea is not acceptable in the literal sense, every soul is responsible for its own deeds.
Muhammad (PBUH) brought a message, he was persecuted because of it, I therefore consider that Muhammad (PBUH) was persecuted for me and I hold the man in high esteem as do every Muslim who declares to be one.
My proof? It is in the Qur’an. The Creator “speaks” to me in the Qur’an when I read it. You believe that it is Muhammad who lied about the Creator by letting Him speak in the Qur’an? Well it is not my belief; in the Qur’an Muhammad (PBUH) received command after command in the form of “say”. Do you think it is Muhammad who commanded himself in the Qur’an by way of deception?
Muhammad (PBUH) worshiped the Creator whose attributes are found in the Qur’an. Do you think he was deluded thinking he worshiped the creator while he was not?
The reading of the Qur’an leaves no doubt that the Being whose attributes are described in the Qur’an is the Creator, the Master of the universe; you think we are wrong believing this? I am very happy to be wrong.
Yes I said that, but Vickie, if I were to use your scriptures against you like you say, believe me, you would hate me or quit reading my posts at once. All I would have to do is dump anti-Christian material from other sites (and there are many as you well know), but no I wont do it and never will, I am always after genuine discussions. It happens that I cross the border (which seems to be the case here considering your reaction), all you have to do is raise the flag and I will get back to my place of guest.
I am sorry to have started you. I have a lot of esteem for you.
Salaam.
Joseph.
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MrS
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**[1] ** The Greatest Someone did bring a message… TRUTH, and the Truth is not someone, it is Somebody. His Name is Jesus Christ. His Message is Himself. Pilate, like Muslims, look Him in the face and ask What is Truth. You do not see it because your time has not come yet to see it.
[2] But the message was submission to a “master” god, not a loving Father God. And those who deny the false prophet are subject to death.
[4] Yes
[5] Yes you are wrong. But the only true, Triune God, Who seems so unreasonable to you now, will prevail. I pray you will someday recognize it. It is God’s will that all should come to Him - of your own choice.
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inJESUS
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Salaam Joseph,
idea that someone died for the sins of others is repugnant to me to say the least and I reject it with all the strength Allah (SWT) gave me. lets keep it simple…don’t soldiers die for a country? doesn’t a father die to save his children? the idea is not repugnant per se don’t you think?
very good analysis…and you will surprised that this is indeed another thological school…i’ll make it simple: Jesus was killed…that is the fact that theology started from…after Jesus’ death, one theological school held that Jesus came TO DIE, another thological school held that Jesus came TO PREACH BUT was killed …one can choose any thological interpretation…but whether it is the first or second, Jesus’ death is PART of God’s salvation…that is, everything Jesus said and did till his death is part of the salvation no matter what theological approach you prefer. Jesus is ALL his life and words, not one without the other…so what you are saying is very fine
the Qur’an. The Creator “speaks” to me in the Qur’an when I read it. You believe that it is Muhammad who lied about the Creator by letting Him speak in the Qur’an? Well it is not my belief; in the Qur’an Muhammad (PBUH) received command after command in the form of “say”. Do you think it is Muhammad who commanded himself in the Qur’an by way of deception?
Muhammad (PBUH) worshiped the Creator whose attributes are found in the Qur’an. Do you think he was deluded thinking he worshiped the creator while he was not?if you knew arabic, i’d have explained all this to you…
the problem is that you don’t believe the Bible is truthful…when you realize this, you will automatically reject many wrong facts in quran…
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Booklover
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Salaam Joseph!
Mt. 26 26 While they were at supper, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to this disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27 Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them saying, "Drink from it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the covenant which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.
When was Mohammed persecuted? I thought he did most of the persecuting. Didn’t he use force to validate his claims? And didn’t he declare “I have been made victorious with terror”?
Yes, I do.
If the God of the Quran is the master of the universe, why does the Quran state that the sun sets in a murky spring?
You see the word of God in the Quran, and I see it in every word spoken by Jesus Christ.
Jn 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the TRUTH and the light.
Does he sound like he’s just a “prophet”?
Does it sound reasonable to you that God would entrust his Word to a human being who could add or subtract to it and still claim it was the word of God? To someone who could use it for his own gain? We believe that he came down himself out of love for us.
Jn.1:14
And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.
This is what Simeon said about Jesus:
Luke 2:25-32
Now there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon. This man was righteous and devout, awaiting the consolation of Israel, and the holy Spirit was upon him. It had been revealed to him by the holy Spirit that he should not see death before he had seen the Messiah of the Lord. He came in the Spirit into the temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus to perform the custom of the law in regard to him, he took him into his arms and blessed God saying:
"Now, Master, you may let your servant go in peace, according to your word, for my eyes have seen your salvation, which you prepared in sight of all the peoples, a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and glory for your people Israel".
Vickie
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