'White Europe': 60,000 nationalists march on Poland's independence day

[Arkansan]

“YOU’RE RAAAAACIST” continues to be the sole argument coming from the peanut gallery.

 

[niceatheist]

“YOU’RE RAAAAACIST” continues to be the sole argument coming from the peanut gallery.

So you don’t find anything troubling or bigoted about suggesting the Mayor of London may impose Sharia law (not that the insinuation even makes sense)?

 

[Arkansan]

Sadiq Khan (or however you spell his name) is a secular Muslim, but that’s not the point. Once Muslims become a majority, it’ll only be a matter of time until they start imposing sharia, regardless of what people like him want.

 

[niceatheist]

It’s usually the way that when a forum changes format, the more, um, atypical posters are often the ones most likely to return. But some of the stuff on this particular thread really is quite out there, and this one particular claim is outrageous and betrays such bigotry that I found it pretty astounding. I would imagine that claims about Sadiq Khan being an Islamist intent on imposing Sharia law do make the rounds on all those delightful white supremacist and white nationalist websites, but to see it here, with so few Catholics actually wiling to call it out for what it really is; hatred and bigotry, does sadden me.

As it is, Khan is often distrusted in the more left wing factions within Labour because he’s seen as a moderate (or as they call them “Rightists”). Khan is almost the exact opposite of the kind of demagogue who would want to impose any kind of hard line ideology; Sharia, socialism, or whatever, but the reason I’m assuming that our fine poster targeted him is because he’s of Pakistani heritage and he’s a Muslim. Such a poster sees no need to delve into Khan’s statements or views. What counts is his skin color and religion, that automatically makes him suspect.

And that, my dear friends, is a textbook definition of bigotry and racism. Asserting some unevidenced quality or unseen plot because someone is a member of a certain religion and/or ethnic group is precisely a type of bigotry and racism.

 

[Inisfallen]

Gee. Maybe they need to come to America instead. Poles are entirely welcome here, particularly in those areas where there a lot of people of Polish descent. LOTS of them in the U.S. Boze cos Polske!

Yep. In Brooklyn, New York, where I live, Greenpoint is still a thriving Polish neighborhood. You can walk down the street and see whole blocks where all the store signs are in Polish, and all the products in the food stores are Polish. And it’s expanding – Maspeth, in Queens, is starting to get a big Polish presence along Grand Avenue.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Just like the Nazis. Most Germans were not Nazis, but they didn’t have to be.

Everyone is waiting for the number to tip 51-49. But it may not even come to that. BTW, it appears that Muslim women are suffering the most—so much so many of them in Europe want to go back.

 

[niceatheist]

Just like the Nazis. Most Germans were not Nazis, but they didn’t have to be.

So now you’re equating Islam to National Socialism.

Everyone is waiting for the number to tip 51-49. But it may not even come to that. BTW, it appears that Muslim women are suffering the most—so much so many of them in Europe want to go back.

And we’re right back into the Fifth Column “they’re going to outbreed us” business.

And you still haven’t explained how Sadiq Khan, a man who voted in favor of same sex marriage in Parliament (and received death threats from actual Islamists afterwards). So is it safe to assume that because of his cultural background and religion, you decided to smear him, with no regard (or possibly even knowledge) of his background?

Is this your idea of your keen intellect with its great recognition of the threats against Western Civilization at play?

 

[SuperLuigi]

Running out of cards to play.

More like let’s defend Islam/atheism whatever my friends and neighbors want even at the expense of the Catholic Church.

Wonder what would happen if I went to a Muslim or an atheist site and started blindly defending the Catholic Church.

With any luck, the Poles and the Irish will convert all the Muslims, Jews and Anglicans and then everyone in North Africa, Egypt, Palestine, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia and reduce socialism to the ash heap of history once and for all.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I can’t comment on you, but it’s disingenuous to pretend that a lot of opposition to Islam and immigration isn’t based on race.

I don’t know about this. The first Syrian I ever met had blonde hair and blue eyes. And if you read history, probably most Sicilians are of Levantine extraction. I read that most Palestinians have some western European DNA. Crusades perhaps, but then there were the (largely Teutonic) Roman legions permanently stationed in Syria and the Greeks. So there might not be a dime’s worth of DNA difference between a Sicilian/Neapolitan and a Levantine.

DNA can surprise. I’m supposedly half Irish, and I am in a way. Except that the “Celtic” part of me is overwhelmed by Scandinavian ancestry which I didn’t know I had at all. But then, there is the old “handed-down” family story saying those Irish ancestors were “originally from France”, and, indeed, my “Irish” family name is Norman. So, I guess the old stories were spot on, except they just didn’t include the Denmark part. And if you add up the Scandinavian and Celtic, it’s considerably more than 50%. But then, half of my Italian ancestors were from northwest Alpine Italy and had red hair. So, perhaps “Cisalpine Gauls”? Probably.

My wife is 100% Alsatian-German speakers. But her DNA test showed a significant amount of Italian. Of course, the Romans used to settle retired soldiers along the Rhine to guard it. And there is a tiny trace of central Asian, probably from the Avars being resettled there by Charlemagne.

I don’t think the issues with Middle EAstern immigrants in Poland or Hungary is a matter of “race”. After all, Magyars are a mix of Turkic and Germanic peoples. I think it’s the religion, and knowing I’ll be condemned as a bigot for saying it, I don’t blame the eastern Europeans for not wanting a lot of Muslim immigrants.

Islam has a contradiction within it that was supposedly “settled” in the 12th Century, and not in favor of “infidels”. The “solution” was the “doctrine of abrogation” in which the later intolerant “revelations” to Mohammed abrogated the earlier, more tolerant ones. Sunni are at least supposed to accept that doctrine. Maybe someday Islamic scholars will rethink that. But so far, they have not.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Yep. In Brooklyn, New York, where I live, Greenpoint is still a thriving Polish neighborhood. You can walk down the street and see whole blocks where all the store signs are in Polish, and all the products in the food stores are Polish. And it’s expanding – Maspeth, in Queens, is starting to get a big Polish presence along Grand Avenue.

This might be mildly amusing. Some years back I did some H1b work, bringing healthcare workers to the U.S. I wondered whether perhaps there were some recent Polish immigrants who I might get qualified. Turned out the education under Communism was so bad that I couldn’t. But in the course of it, I learned that the Archdiocese of Chicago was almost a clearing house for Poles, both legal and illegal. I remember one of the Chancery people jokingly telling me “…there’s an illegal Pole working under every car in every repair shop in Chicago…” And I think she was only half joking.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

People on the right say all the time say they want LEGAL immigration. The left chooses not to hear it because it doesn’t suit their agenda.

This just proves my point. Solving the problem of immigration is not just a case of adopting a different immigration policy. That won’t save you. It needs to be asked as to why parts of the world are so unstable and destitute and why other parts of the world are so rich, and why people should want to flee one part of the world to enter the other. Why would regions of the world that have been arbitrarily partitioned by western powers, have developed (and been left undeveloped) through the experience of colonialism with its construction of divisive ethnic identities and destruction of traditional culture, and that are still today ravaged by imperialist wars and western capital, produce many immigrants? Why indeed.

I’m not just playing the blame game here, before you accuse me of that. The point is that mass immigration is rooted in the way our society functions globally. Imperialism is integral to capitalism, and only through a major revolutionizing of our social relations will we be able to do away with it.

 

[Arkansan]

It needs to be asked as to why parts of the world are so unstable and destitute and why other parts of the world are so rich

Presumably it has something to do with the people who live there. The folly of “humanitarian” immigration is in assuming that magic dirt will turn third-world populations into first-world populations. In fact, such a project will not only be catastrophic for the first world (which will cease to be the first world), but also for all the people in the third-world who are dependent on foreign aid.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Capitalism is the best form of economic practice and has reduced poverty.

Capitalism has succeeded where Catholicism, Islam, atheism and big government have failed.

 

[Ridgerunner]

This just proves my point. Solving the problem of immigration is not just a case of adopting a different immigration policy. That won’t save you. It needs to be asked as to why parts of the world are so unstable and destitute and why other parts of the world are so rich, and why people should want to flee one part of the world to enter the other. Why would regions of the world that have been arbitrarily partitioned by western powers, have developed (and been left undeveloped) through the experience of colonialism with its construction of divisive ethnic identities and destruction of traditional culture, and that are still today ravaged by imperialist wars and western capital, produce many immigrants? Why indeed.

I don’t see how this works at all. Saudi Arabia, for example, is rich. It was not arbitrarily partitioned except by its own rulers. Its history of colonialism is largely that of the Turks. It doesn’t really have divisive ethnic identities and it goes a long way to retaining its traditional culture. And yet, it was and has been the source of plenty of terrorists, including Bin Ladin.

I am sometimes amused by those who want to attribute every evil in the world to the west. It’s a racism or ethnocism all its own. It assumes the “little brown people” are incapable of developing their own societies, conflicts and oppressors, as well as the good things that come from them. Racial/ethnicist to the core.

And then to say that immigration to the west is due to the evil oppressions of the west, is one of the most preposterous non sequiturs anti-westerners have devised to date.

 

[niceatheist]

Capitalism is the best form of economic practice and has reduced poverty.

Capitalism has succeeded where Catholicism, Islam, atheism and big government have failed.

The last time I checked Catholicism and atheism aren’t economic theories, and “big government”, beyond being hopelessly subjective, is more a consequence of several factors (some economic, some political, some geographic, some population-based, and so forth).

 

[SuperLuigi]

Well, that’s better than anything I’ve said on here. I expect you to be accused of being a secret agent for Stormfront at any time now, even though you’re not a dreaded republican.

95% of people are fine with immigration as long as it’s sustainable and legal. The far left wants illegal immigration because their culture of death and laziness in their minority supremacy movements isn’t bearing fruit, and their notion of being on easy street while the sun sets on civilization is under threat.

 

[Inisfallen]

The far left wants illegal immigration because their culture of death and laziness in their minority supremacy movements isn’t bearing fruit, and their notion of being on easy street while the sun sets on civilization is under threat.

This caricature of “the left” is a bit over the top, don’t you think?

 

[Regular_Atheist]

What you’ve written is interesting, but I think it’s mostly irrelevant. In truth the question of race has a lot less to do with genetics or biology than people think. I think your own post goes someways to proving this - Syrians would never be recognized as “white”, though someone from southern Italy likely would be in much of of the world. Race is a social construct, and is not rooted in genetics or biology to any hard extent, but is culturally constructed. The “othering” of the Muslim has a long history, and there is definitely a racial element to it that has become more prominent in recent history.

 

[Arkansan]

Race is a social construct, and is not rooted in genetics or biology to any hard extent

lol

You can tell race from DNA, or skeletal features.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The “othering” of the Muslim has a long history, and there is definitely a racial element to it that has become more prominent in recent history.

Absolutely wrong. Lebanese Christians are as Arab as any Arab. Yet’ they’re well accepted in this society. Armenians far more closely resemble other Middle Eastern peoples than they do British Islanders, and yet people have no objection to their immigration.

It’s Islam people have a problem with when it comes to immigration from that region. And for good reason.