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7_Sorrows
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like the Episcopal church for example.
White House shines rainbow colors to hail same-sex marriage ruling
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FollowChrist34
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:sad_yes:
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RebeccaJ
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My top issue in the McCain vs Obama election was the ongoing wars, that I view as unjust and frankly that we were hoodwinked into by lying politicians and spies. My vote for McCain, despite the unpalatable Palin, was because I viewed that he had the background and skills to end war. Obama then showed he didnt have the skills, or people in place with skills, to bring a war to a close with a peace accord. Just cut loose and abandon people of good will, who had counted on us, to the wolves. I can’t see that McCain, with his background in Vietnam, would have ever done that. But we’ll never know!
I have nothing against fellow citizens who celebrate what they view as a victory. I just don’t happen to agree that it is a victory, and I don’t view that it is the place of the executive branch to fly a victory flag when the victory is against the legislative branch. The legislative branch is not our enemy.
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Sy_Noe
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Some have found other spiritual homes just as some Catholics who leave the practice of Catholicism do. From my experience though I know of Episcopal churches where all are fully welcome whether they support SSM and the rainbow colors or not. In fact the priest at one told me while she had no problem with the gay bishop, Bishop Gene Robinson, a member expressed his problem with it, and she merely explained both she and he believed in God and Christ and could worship together. And she said the man has never missed church since.
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Michael1978
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Yes as I’ve said their understanding of God has evolved. Although I know a lot of folks here don’t like that word.
2 Timothy 4:1-5
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pnewton
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For the record, the Catholic Church full welcomes all, whether they support SSM, are liars, cheaters, pedophiles, murders or thieves. All are welcome to come and learn how to grow in holiness and move beyond whatever sin ensnares them.
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FollowChrist34
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How To Shrink Your Church In One Easy Step
Every major American church that has taken steps towards liberalization on sexual issues has seen a steep decline in membership.
thefederalist.com/2014/08/21/how-to-shrink-your-church-in-one-easy-step/
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EasterJoy
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What is the denomination that has same-sex marriage but doesn’t accept contraception, divorce, or sporadic attendance on Sundays?
(Some of them even accept abortion, for crying out loud.)
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EasterJoy
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Civil marriage has already been reduced by no-fault divorce to a contract that can be dissolved unilaterally without showing cause and without consequences on the defaulting party. What kind of contract is that???
If society is robbed of the authority to define marriage on top of that, then marriage is no more than what couples who avail themselves of marriage define it to be at some certain point in time. It has no means of enduring and no meaning that can endure.
This is not like Brown vs the Board of Education. This is a second Roe v. Wade. It is a judicially-dictated societal catastrophe, masquerading as a Defense of Freedom.
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grotto
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When you discover this rare species of politician, you’ll get a prize, and I will be surprised.
I suppose trying to find an honest person, politician or not, is an always close chase! But “there are lies and then there are damn lies” (I dunno who said that but its true!)
We have had so many people in positions of governmental power and media lying to everyone who would listen that “you need a scorecard to tell the players”!
Not everybody gets a trophy - some get the booby prize! The race has to be run, no quitting; walk or crawl we have to take care of this mess. Obama can leave with his “legacy” - It will be a great day when he is gone! He can take all of his entourage with him. Let us all pray he does not give Iran nuclear weapons before he goes.
Is there a strong Senate and House of Representatives out there? I know the SCOTUS is useless at present.
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Milliardo
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And so while the uproar in the U.S. is happening, here in the Philippines our Supreme Court does this: manilatimes.net/sc-stops-distribution-sale-of-contraceptives/196248/ I’m sure many liberals won’t be happy about this (although the reason why the Supreme Court here did this is more out of a legal issue)
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Sy_Noe
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Yes I know they are fully welcome to go into a Catholic church’s pews and pray and sing and listen to the readings and a homily and worship. I never said they weren’t. I used to be one of them to do so.
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Sy_Noe
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Are there any surveys on the percentage of Baptized Catholics who don’t attend Mass every wk?
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TEPO
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Well, if its such a big victory at the white house, why not make a new holiday for it? Nationally recognized of course. That would be the next step for the lgbt movement, right…? Because the fight cant just end here ya know…
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FollowChrist34
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Is your point that “evolving” Church teaching will bring them home?
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DrTaffy
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Very pragmatic of you!We pray on our way to the hospital.
But if your child were convulsing and it were a choice between praying or getting him to a doctor? Would you pray first then call 911?
Obviously a hypothetical situation, but it illustrates why I feel that statements such as “faith is greater than science” are overly simplistic and needlessly confrontational, not to mention ungrateful to scientists. Many of whom, of course, are catholic.
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phil19034
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60-75% But the question is why. In America, most who do not (and I used to be one of them) are influenced by our Protestant & secular culture. The baby boomer generation (my parents generation) protested and questioned everything. Their parents didn’t know the faith well enough to explain the whys.
When the Church in America started to teach my generation CCD (prep, CFF, whatever you want to call it) it was usually the Baby Boomers (who didn’t receive a proper foundation) or their parents (who couldn’t explain it to their Baby Boomer children) trying to teach. So it was a lot of Kumbaya stuff and no explanations regarding why the Church teaches what she teaches. Or if there was an orthodox teacher, teaching good stuff, it would be undermined by the Baby Boomer parent who didn’t agree with the Pope and/or didn’t go to Mass (like my Dad).
Plus, you had a lot of “revolt against the establishment” stuff in the 60s and 70s and the Church was 100% considered part of the establishment.
The confusion the Baby Boomers created and the mis-education they received was passed onto their children (my generation).
Plus, World War I and II had a disastrous affect on the faith of people in Europe (esp Western Europe) - pews in France were already empty by the 1950s. And it was common for Italian men to skip mass in both Italy and the US.
This is why pews are empty in the North America and Western Europe.
But this also affected the Protestant communities and Eastern Orthodox communities too.
To bring this back on subject… the passing of SSM is NOT going to bring people back to Church (whether it be Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, etc). All it’s going to do is increase the number of Atheists, which in the long run will be bad for ALL faiths (Christian and non-Christian alike).
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DrTaffy
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All or none. All treated under the same rules. If the White house can have prayer meetings and crucifixes, why can they not have rainbow lights or menorahs?
If they can celebrate Christmas, why not this?
Honest question: has there ever been a Muslim in high enough office to be at the White House for breakfast? Barring conspiracy theories about Obama, about which I have heard far too much TYVM.
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Ridgerunner
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Well, Iran is about to eat Obama’s lunch. Does that count?
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EasterJoy
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The truth is not subject to individual opinion any more than it is subject to majority opinion.
Tenable societal contracts, however, require that society as a whole have some authority in determining the terms of the contract, too. The Supreme Court just defined marriage as a contract over which society has lost what little authority it still had. There is no basis left for societal control over the terms of civil marriage. Those who want to marry now have the sole right to define what marriage is.
Civil marriage has gone so far down the path of individualism that it has become a legal trap. Marriage is now so individualistic that ONE of the spouses can dissolve the contract unilaterally and without showing cause. Couples do not have to demonstrate that their union will provide society as a whole with any benefit at all. The presumption is that what is good for the individual is good for the whole, with the individual having all the authority to define what “good” means, even over the objections of the other party to their own marriage!
In my opinion, we got where we are because society had lost hold of its authority over the terms of marriage a long time ago. Marriage had become not what society decided it would be and not even what each couple decided it would be, but what individuals decided it would be. The Supreme Court decision could actually be defended on the grounds that same-sex marriage was the logical conclusion of the direction that society had allowed the civil institution of marriage to travel. I would have a hard time arguing that.
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