White nationalism is incompatible with Catholicism

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ColoradoCatholic said:
Lol, what do you think?
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To be honest I’m not sure. You don’t seem to care what the term white nationalist means and are willing to use the term, thereby associating yourself with racist, Nazi types. But you say, oh I don’t mean that. Well, your choice.
 
The point, and this was what my OP was about, is that putting “white” or “black” in front of generally anything is racist and that you shouldn’t accuse people of racism using the pretext of race generalization. Its like saying “I’m not racist against anyone, but I can’t stand XXX people” its totally incoherent. When you say things like that, and say that’s what Catholics believe, I’m going to disagree with you.
 
Yeah except I did. I don’t think you’re making much sense, to be honest.
 
That’s ok, I wasn’t responding to you in the first place.
 
PS @StudentMI my public apologies to you for doubting the forum presence of apologetics for white nationalism, at the top of this thread. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

You sure did smoke it out of the woodwork. (And in at least one case, seem to have helped get any trace of a certain user wiped from CAF’s search function.)

Point proven 🎯:medal_sports: have a reward. 🍫
 
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To be fair, I think some people on the Left(some of this forum even) have made insinuations of someone being racist for simply being a Nationalist(anti-globalist mentality, anti-open borders). The thing is, we don’t care where you are from(the color of your skin). Just obey our nations’s immigration laws. That’s all we ask.
 
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True…I think “black nationalists” are racist too in the same lines as what we currently call white nationalists(white supremacists). I think BLM is a racist organization because they focus on white police officers (generalization as we’ve seen in the cases the accused police officers come from ALL ethnic and racial backgrounds)allegedly wrongfully shooting black men. “Black Lives Matter” is also a very general statement that within the community itself seems to be untrue if given the right circumstances(gang/drug crime violence, black on black shootings, abortion-less black babies being born than aborted in some cities). It’s unfortunate that with that general statement “Black Lives Matter” they don’t focus on the problems within their own communities as well.
 
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Why is the OP even controversial?

White nationalism is a poisonous ideology and has no place in the Catholic Church, a Church for all people, of all races and nations.
 
It’s not controversial, and nobody disagrees, except one poster who misunderstood the meaning of white nationalism.
 
I suppose you could say that they are racist, but it’s a different kind of racism than in America. A lot is based on simply not seeing black people very rarely. For example: my dad when he talks about an black man he will always call them African American but they are not always African American (some are just from Africa), he doesn’t mean anything negative but it’s like an unawareness and naivety thing.

African American men who go on holiday there get stared at because, and I hate this poor choice of words, but it’s like a “novelty”. But at the same time they are treated very warmly and hospitably.
And a lot of African Americans say they loved holidays there. Because they are such a “rarity” to everyday life they have no issue “picking up girls” and girls will fight over them. So while some elder traditional fathers may have an issue with mixed race dating or marriage, plenty of the younger generations girls don’t;)

But honestly, personally I don’t like that type of tourism (whether black, white or blue etc) where people go to countries for hope of casual sex.
 
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@ColoradoCatholic

Sometimes you have to think strategically though for your opinions (about the current social climates) to be taken most seriously and not shut down or people to associate you with something that you are not meaning/a group that doesn’t represent you.

Take for example the word feminist. We can all be feminists in the good sense of the word such as prevented sex trafficking and exploitation of women, speaking out against sexual assault of women, promoting women’s dignity and that we are worth more that just commidifying our bodies, fighting gender based crimes such as honor killings in certain countries, etc.

All this is technically a form of feminism.And maybe the “original feminists” were speaking about serious concerns idk.
But nowadays, the word feminist has been associated in the public mind (in many countries) as meaning angry aggressive women, women who hate men, and all the rest associations that I’m sure you know about.

So I never refer would refer to myself as a feminist.

As sad as it may be, branding is powerful and human psychology responds to it.
It is just my opinion, but I think you should consider “branding yourself” using a different word, even if you feel the “left” has hijacked an innocent word in USA and changed the meaning.
 
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I watched something about this from the USA. This Tery Crews is a brave man.
I think it is unfair that the reporter did not listen to his views with an open mind instead of giving a bit hostility.

 
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you don’t know what his skin color is. Nor does it matter. Jesus could have had the skin tone of a Norwegian or a Congolese. who cares
 
ChristianZoomer said:
No one should be kicked out of the US for their skin color. but it is an undeniable fact that when races stick to their own, they are more peaceful. just look at diverse cities. God bless you
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I don’t believe that attitude can be reconciled with Catholicism.
 
ChristianZoomer said:
but it is an undeniable fact that when races stick to their own, they are more peaceful.
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It always makes me laugh when people imply that racial hostility will decrease if we keep the races apart.

That’s like me saying that violence against women will drastically decrease if we just keep men away, as if that’s an intelligent observation. Unfortunately we see this logic in many cultures, but we can argue that it doesn’t make it right/moral.

Racial segregation only breeds racism.

It also doesn’t account for high crime rates in predominantly black areas that white nationalists love to talk about, its almost as if predominantly white areas are relatively more peaceful because of other socio-economic factors that they benefit from besides race.
 
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sealabeag said:
except one poster who misunderstood the meaning of white nationalism.
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I don’t know if this is the case here, but I see a lot of ‘white nationalists’ doing this by playing dumb about what white nationalism it (i.e. By saying that they’re a nationalist who is just white) when in reality, their nationalist beliefs are based on race. When pressed further, they will avoid answering this as much as possible in order to look like they’re merely nationalists.

There’s a reason why the typical nationalist (who are white) won’t bother defending the term white nationalist (because they know white nationalism is not the same as nationalism), and there’s a reason why white nationalists will spend a lot of their energy trying to avoid looking racist.

Again I’m not saying that the poster is an actual white nationalist as I’ll be nice enough to assume they’re just ignorant, but this sort of conversation happens all the time.

Calling yourself a white nationalist is the same thing as calling yourself a racist. The definitions are out there. If race truly has nothing to do with it, then why insist on keeping the ‘white’?
 
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