White nationalism is incompatible with Catholicism

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Yes that was the part I was bolding. I didn’t find it necessary to bold the entire part.
 
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Where have you been? Listening to “news reports” of “demonstrations” or “protests”? They were organized, financed, ongoing violent riots. Portland has over 100 days of violence in the streets. Seattle not far behind. Radicals surrounded a police precinct in Seattle (where exactly zero black men had been shot by police) and the mayor ordered the abandoning of the precinct. The mob then seized control of a three block area and barricaded themselves inside. At least one murder and several other crimes occurred in the CHOP (Capital Hill Organized Protest) area - which finally crumbled of its own weight. Innumerable businesses looted, fires in the street. Graffiti and vandalism everywhere. Numerous police cars burnt. Officers hospitalized after being hit with whatever was handy. Their retinas damaged by rioters with lasers.

Where have you been? It was chaos. 120+ Seattle officers have resigned after being made into targets. Numerous businesses are closed and others are boarded up.

All of this due to well-financed ignorance, hatred and yes, minority racism. All of this over a man who died of a fentanyl overdose in police custody in Minnesota. A man whose trachea was not crushed. A career thug who had been violating the law at that time. There is little doubt that aid should have been called immediately in that case and the death is indeed a tragedy, but the man was a train wreck. And, get this:

Zero evidence that he died because of his race. Zero.

Where have you been?

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ColoradoCatholic said:
White nationalism has nothing wrong with it
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Wait. Could you define for people what you mean?

For example, which of these two statements more closely reflects your intention?
  1. I perceive my nation as being a ‘white nation’ and nationalism for me involves my nation remaining ‘white’.
  2. I am in favour of policies that economically favour my nation (e.g. preferring trade agreements that encourage domestic manufacturing instead of outsourcing), and my skin tone happens to be white. But if everyone else in my nation were non-white, I’d still be a nationalist for this nation.
Just so you’re aware, what most people (including myself) hear when we hear “white nationalism”, is the implicit notion that a person sees their nation as inherently “white”.

If this isn’t what you mean, I’d recommend learning to use different terminology.
 
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All of this over a man who died of a fentanyl overdose in police custody in Minnesota. A man whose trachea was not crushed. A thug who had been violating the law. THere is little doubt that aid should have been called immediately in that case and the death is indeed a tragedy, but the man was a train wreck.
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If you think all that was because of George Floyd, I would suggest you rethink your position.
 
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I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt here - you don’t seem to know the meaning of “white nationalism”. It is not the same as “white people who happen to be nationalists or patriots”, or vice versa. White nationalism is synonymous with white supremacism.
 
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Rather, since they had signs with his name and were shouting his name, perhaps someone else in this dialog should re-think their position.
 
po18guy said:
Rather, since they had signs with his name and were shouting his name, perhaps someone else in this dialog should re-think their position.
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Who denied they did that? But if you think a movement that predated his death was solely concerned with his death, I don’t know what to tell you.
 
That’s true there is a big difference between being a Nationalist who is white and being a white supremacist. The thing is you can be white AND a nationalist but “white nationalism” is like a code phrase for white supremacy nowadays. Which has nothing to do with the nation I’m interested in- U.S. and all of our rightful citizens.
 
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Polak said:
I agree. @StudentMI this is a post unlike you. Where on earth have you seen anybody arguing for white nationalism on this forum?
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I sympathize with him. There are some lines which should not be crossed here. The offending posts may be gone, but they did defend both racism and Hitler. Be thankful they have been deleted and give the kid the benefit of the doubt on this one. As you said, it is not in his character to be too extreme. We all have our moments, and those things which are too much for us.
Polak said:
Yeah as a person. You said Jesus ‘is’ a Jew and Mary ‘is’ a Jew.
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That is an excellent angels on the head of a pin question. On one hand, we have Mary appearing in the likeness of a Mayan at Guadalupe. On the other, we have the fact that they maintained other parts of their humanity, that is, Jesus is eternally male.

It was from a poster that got a rather hard ban. I think everyone of his posts has been deleted. It was pretty bad.
 
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MNathaniel said:
I am in favour of policies that economically favour my nation (e.g. preferring trade agreements that encourage domestic manufacturing instead of outsourcing), and my skin tone happens to be white. But if everyone else in my nation were non-white, I’d still be a nationalist for this nation.
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sealabeag said:
White nationalism is synonymous with white supremacism.
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I believe the term “white nationalism” has been twisted by the radical left. I do not agree with White supremacism (that is also racist).
 
Yes. The term itself has been twisted by the radical left. This is a problem because if we continue to abide by the use of the “new definitions” of these terms…we will only lose ground, and eventually in my opinion your rights and very way of life…it is chaos what the radical left is doing to our country and relationships.

Nowadays it is so shocking for me to use a term which, in the past, use to mean exactly what I advocate for which quite simply is nationalism…“white” has nothing to do with it. Even so, this is how the radical left twists words: using identity politics to term something good into something ghastly…and something horrible into something acceptable or even “essential” sound familiar?
 
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ColoradoCatholic said:
Yes. The term itself has been twisted by the radical left. This is a problem because if we continue to abide by the use of the “new definitions” of these terms…we will only lose ground, and eventually in my opinion your rights and very way of life…it is chaos what the radical left is doing to our country and relationships.
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By using the term white nationalist you’re associating yourself with some pretty unsavory characters.
 
Well you’d probably be saving yourself a whole lot of trouble just to refer to yourself as a nationalist or a patriot or somesuch, as opposed to a white nationalist. It means something now, like it or not. I can’t speak to the origins of the phrase, but if you say you’re a white nationalist nowadays that’s more or less the same as saying you’re a white supremacist.
 
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Again, if you play the “game” of the left, eventually they will change the meaning of everything you hold to be true into something against you. We need more people to accept the “shock factor” and speak the truth as opposed to “falling back” (in a military sense) from the intellectual high ground.
 
So for the sake of ‘the truth’ you’re okay aligning yourself with people who believe The Turner Diaries?
 
Lol, what do you think?

obviously not, call them what they are: white SUPREMACISTS…not nationalists…they have nothing nationalistic about them, they create division…our country is based on unity and freedom.
 
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I mean, it’s your life - if you want to go around telling people you’re a white nationalist, good luck to you. Do you even know for sure that that phrase was invented by the left to disparage nationalists? I think you’re wrong. Look into it. Pretty sure the term has only ever existed to describe those people who believe white people are a race and believe in racial segregation etc. It’s not a hill to die on. Especially if you’re not even sure.
 
ColoradoCatholic said:
I believe the term “white nationalism” has been twisted by the radical left. I do not agree with White supremacism (that is also racist).
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I disagree with this point in this specific case. Yes, there is a radical left, and yes, they have twisted many words.

But “white nationalist” has a specific meaning (or at least, for the sake of argument, let’s at least admit it’s developed a specific meaning), even according to many self-proclaimed “white nationalists”, and too many of these self-proclaimed “white nationalists” say that they believe their nation is and should be white in some essential way, and that non-whites in some way corrupt and alter the fabric of ‘their’ nation as they see it.

Language evolves. Even if you believe for some reason that “white nationalist” should be open to interpretation as implying merely that you are both white and a nationalist, and not as implying an inherent allegiance to the idea of an exclusively “white nation”, please remember that communication takes place in the ears of the hearer, not just the mouth of the speaker.

The swastika used to be a Hindu symbol for good fortune. Now it is effectively unusable and it would be inappropriate for anyone to claim they “should” get to use it without people getting offended just because Nazis went and “twisted” it.

For the sake of argument and assuming that twisting is even what happened here, twisting happens. For the sake of other people, we do need to adapt to the communication realities we’re actually living within. We don’t get to draw a swastika then complain that others think we’re associating with Nazism, and we don’t get to identify as white nationalists then complain that others think we’re associating with the idea of a “white nation”.

Again, I would urge you to reconsider your use of language to better reflect what you mean, in the ears of those you communicate with.
 
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