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StudentMI
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Because I like accuracy. I’ll admit that’s totally important to me. If someone said all libertarians support police states I’d contest that for the sake of accuracy.
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Sarcelle
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The poster who sent those was banned shortly thereafter.
It seemed like I wasn’t the only recipient of his death threats
It seemed like I wasn’t the only recipient of his death threats
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F_Marturana
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I’m sorry that happened to you.
The weirdest pm I ever got was from some guy wanting to know my age, and announcing he was a widower.
This person hadn’t ever posted on the forum.
Old version of the forum, I didn’t save those pm’s.
The weirdest pm I ever got was from some guy wanting to know my age, and announcing he was a widower.
This person hadn’t ever posted on the forum.
Old version of the forum, I didn’t save those pm’s.
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StudentMI
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Remember how you had limits to how many PMs you could have?
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F_Marturana
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Yes.
I think you had to delete them as you went along?
Your inbox became larger as you gained levels.
I think you had to delete them as you went along?
Your inbox became larger as you gained levels.
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MNathaniel
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That’s horrifying. I’m sorry to hear it’s been happening.
As you say, one would imagine such a person must be very unhappy. It’s disturbing and sad to even try to imagine what condition a person would be in when they post something like that.
I’m sorry both for all those targeted, who may have felt unwelcome or discouraged from participating here for that reason – and I’m sorry for those people in such a sad state of mind that they’ve been posting such things.
As you say, one would imagine such a person must be very unhappy. It’s disturbing and sad to even try to imagine what condition a person would be in when they post something like that.
I’m sorry both for all those targeted, who may have felt unwelcome or discouraged from participating here for that reason – and I’m sorry for those people in such a sad state of mind that they’ve been posting such things.
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Jesus was a Jew with darker skin. He looked Jewish and did not look like the “stylised paintings” they often paint him as which more reflect the imaginings of the painter, rather than historical fact.
People shouldn’t be derogatory to others based on race, but at the same time, regarding interracial marriage acceptance I don’t think it is fair for Americans to expect the rest of the world to see race through the American lens. America has a long history with race related issues, but it is particular to America, and every country has it’s own social climate and trajectory.
The truth is that many Slavic elders can have difficulties accepting mixed race marriages.
Also, I know many Chinese and Indians (south asian ones), who’s parents feel this way as well. Some Indians can have it hard just to accept their child marrying a Pakistani and vice versa, let alone more…
Jews predominantly marry other Jewish etc.
Our parents only have our best interest at heart.
When Americans marry each other (and I am generalizing) they just marry each other. But we marry the whole family. Not literally of course lol, but there is more importance placed on the extended families getting along etc, so it is important to consider this when getting married. So it is easier to marry within the same culture so your mum can talk easily in the same language with his mum etc.
And also, I hear of “black people” from America thinking the same. Sometimes the son will bring home a “white” girlfriend and the mother will feel disappointed. And I think that’s ok. I think it is ok for whether African American, or European, or Asian etc to want to marry, or their children to marry within their race or culture.
I don’t have anything against inter racial marriages myself but I am not of my parents generation. The elders sometimes do hold these attitudes and they are not bad people.
I am not sure if that is what this “white nationalist guy” was saying, or if rather he was being actually derogatory, but I just wanted to put it out there
People shouldn’t be derogatory to others based on race, but at the same time, regarding interracial marriage acceptance I don’t think it is fair for Americans to expect the rest of the world to see race through the American lens. America has a long history with race related issues, but it is particular to America, and every country has it’s own social climate and trajectory.
The truth is that many Slavic elders can have difficulties accepting mixed race marriages.
Also, I know many Chinese and Indians (south asian ones), who’s parents feel this way as well. Some Indians can have it hard just to accept their child marrying a Pakistani and vice versa, let alone more…
Jews predominantly marry other Jewish etc.
Our parents only have our best interest at heart.
When Americans marry each other (and I am generalizing) they just marry each other. But we marry the whole family. Not literally of course lol, but there is more importance placed on the extended families getting along etc, so it is important to consider this when getting married. So it is easier to marry within the same culture so your mum can talk easily in the same language with his mum etc.
And also, I hear of “black people” from America thinking the same. Sometimes the son will bring home a “white” girlfriend and the mother will feel disappointed. And I think that’s ok. I think it is ok for whether African American, or European, or Asian etc to want to marry, or their children to marry within their race or culture.
I don’t have anything against inter racial marriages myself but I am not of my parents generation. The elders sometimes do hold these attitudes and they are not bad people.
I am not sure if that is what this “white nationalist guy” was saying, or if rather he was being actually derogatory, but I just wanted to put it out there
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RobertAdams
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True, but also kind of a silly point. While both the Klan and Habitat for Humanity may have people with bigoted views, the Klan is a bigoted organization and H4H is not…
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Like how many people are we talking about?
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MNathaniel
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This may seem random but I really wish that when they did these “What did Jesus really look like?” and “What did Mary really look like?” artistic projections, they’d depict them with normal human facial expressions!
Like, would it really be too much to ask for a face to be depicted in an attitude of comfortable rest with a friendly smile, or even an attitude of alert, intelligent, focused attention?
I remember a “Mary depiction” thread a while back where the artist depicted Mary looking like photos sometimes caught me as a teenager: flat affect, eyes dull and unfocused, mouth half open. And this Jesus depiction: mouth partway open; eyebrows sort of knitted together in an expression of confusion or distress, eyes not clearly looking at anything at all? Like, this face looks to me like if this were a frame from a movie, it’s about to pan out to show that the actor has been stabbed through the belly and his eyes are unfocusing as he passes into death.
I just don’t get it. I actually really enjoy the projections and agree with the principle these artists always claim to be working with (that they’re trying to recreate the most plausible, local-normal appearance of a man and woman of this geographical region in this time period, with regards to skin tone, hair type, bone structure, etc). But they then choose the weirdest facial expressions, and it irks me. Like, they always choose facial expressions where if a photo was taken today like that, we’d take another one, just to honour the dignity of the person photographed.
Pet peeve, I guess.
Like, would it really be too much to ask for a face to be depicted in an attitude of comfortable rest with a friendly smile, or even an attitude of alert, intelligent, focused attention?
I remember a “Mary depiction” thread a while back where the artist depicted Mary looking like photos sometimes caught me as a teenager: flat affect, eyes dull and unfocused, mouth half open. And this Jesus depiction: mouth partway open; eyebrows sort of knitted together in an expression of confusion or distress, eyes not clearly looking at anything at all? Like, this face looks to me like if this were a frame from a movie, it’s about to pan out to show that the actor has been stabbed through the belly and his eyes are unfocusing as he passes into death.
I just don’t get it. I actually really enjoy the projections and agree with the principle these artists always claim to be working with (that they’re trying to recreate the most plausible, local-normal appearance of a man and woman of this geographical region in this time period, with regards to skin tone, hair type, bone structure, etc). But they then choose the weirdest facial expressions, and it irks me. Like, they always choose facial expressions where if a photo was taken today like that, we’d take another one, just to honour the dignity of the person photographed.
Pet peeve, I guess.
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You took the risk of brining this up OP, I’ll take the risk of confirming it. I don’t feel comfortable on this site because I’ve seen extremist views on here. Others have pointed out the toxicity.
Just to give you some perspective, I don’t know your age, but the golden years of the internet were 2000-2010. At that time the internet was largely reasonable people who you could discuss and disagree with and it was all in good confidence. I think over time, as the internet became more accessible, in came the bad actors.
Now, the internet is filled with people pushing an agenda. Relating it to Catholicism, these people feel they are swaying the direction of Catholicism by advocating for extremist views online while portraying themselves as Catholic. These aren’t troll farms or paid actors, these are people with the time and inclination to push their agenda.
What they don’t realize is the reaction of most people, when these agenda pushers come onto a forum in bad faith, will not be to adopt the agenda but instead leave the forum. It’s like in real life when a neighborhood becomes bad, you leave the neighborhood you really don’t try to fix the neighborhood.
Again, I can’t tell on here who is a Catholic and who is a troll pretending to be Catholic. Overall, the forum has been a net positive as it exposed me to Catholic Radio, the Divine Mercy Chaplet, as well as a greater appreciation for the Catholic Catechism. It’s just sad for every good that comes from the healthy Catholics on this forum, there is a plethora of threads to ignore because they are pushing an agenda.
I’ve finally concluded, that Catholicism is a diverse religion including people from various parts of the political spectrum. While there are many good people in Catholicism, we aren’t necessarily the, “good guy,” religion. There are plenty of Catholics with views that are intolerable and not consistent with the tenets of the way I WAS RAISED Catholic. I capitalize that because I’m now very aware that the region I grew up in America, with the values I grew up with, are not present all across America. Hence, our views of Catholicism will be different.
Again, what recent years have taught me is we as Americans aren’t one cohesive society; it’s not all California with some places having Midwestern Values. I can’t watch TV at all because of this; I’m not certain how others watch TV in this country. TV always portrays everyone and everything as some Southern California upper middle class person. Well, that is unrealistic and not reflective of America. Again, I’m even talking about Cable News, which I don’t watch. Don’t know how others watch it. So, unrealistic.
Just to give you some perspective, I don’t know your age, but the golden years of the internet were 2000-2010. At that time the internet was largely reasonable people who you could discuss and disagree with and it was all in good confidence. I think over time, as the internet became more accessible, in came the bad actors.
Now, the internet is filled with people pushing an agenda. Relating it to Catholicism, these people feel they are swaying the direction of Catholicism by advocating for extremist views online while portraying themselves as Catholic. These aren’t troll farms or paid actors, these are people with the time and inclination to push their agenda.
What they don’t realize is the reaction of most people, when these agenda pushers come onto a forum in bad faith, will not be to adopt the agenda but instead leave the forum. It’s like in real life when a neighborhood becomes bad, you leave the neighborhood you really don’t try to fix the neighborhood.
Again, I can’t tell on here who is a Catholic and who is a troll pretending to be Catholic. Overall, the forum has been a net positive as it exposed me to Catholic Radio, the Divine Mercy Chaplet, as well as a greater appreciation for the Catholic Catechism. It’s just sad for every good that comes from the healthy Catholics on this forum, there is a plethora of threads to ignore because they are pushing an agenda.
I’ve finally concluded, that Catholicism is a diverse religion including people from various parts of the political spectrum. While there are many good people in Catholicism, we aren’t necessarily the, “good guy,” religion. There are plenty of Catholics with views that are intolerable and not consistent with the tenets of the way I WAS RAISED Catholic. I capitalize that because I’m now very aware that the region I grew up in America, with the values I grew up with, are not present all across America. Hence, our views of Catholicism will be different.
Again, what recent years have taught me is we as Americans aren’t one cohesive society; it’s not all California with some places having Midwestern Values. I can’t watch TV at all because of this; I’m not certain how others watch TV in this country. TV always portrays everyone and everything as some Southern California upper middle class person. Well, that is unrealistic and not reflective of America. Again, I’m even talking about Cable News, which I don’t watch. Don’t know how others watch it. So, unrealistic.
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Are you implying that white people who love their country are racist? That is racist. Stop being racist.
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ColoradoCatholic
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Nationalist:
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
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a person who advocates or supports the political independence of a particular nation or people.
I am simply using the standard definition. It is absolutely racist to accuse people of racism and at the same time, to point at that this behavior whether good or bad is the result of a single race and because of that race. Its racist. Sorry, but that’s just the truth.
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
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a person who advocates or supports the political independence of a particular nation or people.
I am simply using the standard definition. It is absolutely racist to accuse people of racism and at the same time, to point at that this behavior whether good or bad is the result of a single race and because of that race. Its racist. Sorry, but that’s just the truth.
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ColoradoCatholic
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I haven’t read the entire thread, I was responding to “(name removed by moderator)”
What exactly are you trying to say?
What exactly are you trying to say?
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Monica83
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Nationalist isn’t the same as National Socialist you know 
…and one can be a nationalist(for their country) regardless of race.
…and one can be a nationalist(for their country) regardless of race.
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ColoradoCatholic
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Under the pretext that it was racist. White nationalism has nothing wrong with it…the OP’s mistake is making a wide sweeping statement that is actually incredibly untrue. If the OP said, white supremacist’s philosophy is incompatible with Catholicism I might agree, but being white and at the same time in support of your country? There is nothing wrong with that.
The OP assumes that all white and nationalist people are racist. I am white, I serve my country because I love my country, and I am not racist. I don’t think of anyone in terms of their skin color. What I do tend to do, is fight against posts that are blatantly untrue which taut themselves to “be the Catholic mindset” and are in reality not…I only fight for truth.
The OP assumes that all white and nationalist people are racist. I am white, I serve my country because I love my country, and I am not racist. I don’t think of anyone in terms of their skin color. What I do tend to do, is fight against posts that are blatantly untrue which taut themselves to “be the Catholic mindset” and are in reality not…I only fight for truth.
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StudentMI
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You’re inadvertently proving my point.
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ColoradoCatholic
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I am only replying to the original post “White Nationalism is incompatible with Catholicism”
which was what?
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StudentMI
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Please see the above. Bolded for emphasis.
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