White woman who hit black man during argument about whether he could be on the beach is charged with a hate crime

[WingedHussar]

The law outlawed religious name-calling between the various Christian denominations. It did not give Catholics special protections relative to other Christian denominations. I have a bad habit of looking at the original documents, nice try though.

 

[Motherwit]

The law outlawed religious name-calling between the various Christian denominations. It did not give Catholics special protections relative to other Christian denominations.

The conditions at that time were one of Protestant privilege. There were no other citizens other than the indigenous pagans. The default was Protestant supremacy and Catholic inferiority. It was not a minor tiff between religious groups.

I have a bad habit of looking at the original documents, nice try though.

And you would have read that the law was repealed within a decade and Catholics were banned from even settling in Maryland.

 

[WingedHussar]

The conditions at that time were one of Protestant privilege. There were no other citizens other than the indigenous pagans. The default was Protestant supremacy and Catholic inferiority. It was not a minor tiff between religious groups.

Irrelevant, the law was written and applied to the various denominations, not singling one group out. You are surely aware that various Protestant groups also suppressed each other, not just Catholics right?

 

[Motherwit]

Motherwit:

The conditions at that time were one of Protestant privilege. There were no other citizens other than the indigenous pagans. The default was Protestant supremacy and Catholic inferiority. It was not a minor tiff between religious groups.

Irrelevant, the law was written and applied to the various denominations, not singling one group out. You are surely aware that various Protestant groups also suppressed each other, not just Catholics right?

When Protestants wrote history, you get a different account to the Catholic history. The reality was that it addressed specifically Catholics.

https://www.ushistory.org/us/5a.asp

 

[WingedHussar]

The reality is that the law specified various religious denominations, not just Catholics. So if applied as written, it did not give Catholics special status.

 

[Nepperhan]

Bist du auch ein Ubermensch?

Not at all. And I’m not posted in German, by the way.

The thought that the youth who was riding his bike should be arrested is straight out of Kafka.

 

[gam197]

Balto1:

gam197:

They were egging her and put the words in her mouth.

I really hate it when people of color use mind tricks to get me to say racist things

You gotta be careful. Some these people of color are Jedi knights.
They could force you to say racist things, even if we all know racism no longer exists in these enlightened times.

The decussion was over whether words can be said in confusion or anger. Have you watched the videos? Here is some of the dialogue that went on.

Rubee:

Yep! I’m all with you. If you didn’t already think those things were contemptuous, I dont think theyd easily pop up as a handy insult to use against others.

People who go to racist and similar insults do so because they already perceive those qualities as some sort of flaw or lesser thing on some level, even if they normally have enough sense and control not to say it.

The woman in question Sacramento Karen was angered because the woman accused of saying a word and she said over and over she never said it. She kept repeating to her “I said excuse me”

They are about 15 feet apart. The Black Woman initially walked by her and the white woman mumbled something about her own Black husband according to the Black Woman but she accused her of calling her a name. The white woman denies it.

After a much-heated dialogue, the Black woman got closer, threw something at her, came up to her, got in her face as the white woman backed away, and dared her to say it.

 

[WingedHussar]

The only belief regarding Catholics in Maryland that I have stated is that the law in question treated them the same as every other Christian group. Everything else you have just posted is uncharitable speculation and against forum rules.

 

[Motherwit]

The only belief regarding Catholics in Maryland that I have stated is that the law in question treated them the same as every other Christian group. Everything else you have just posted is uncharitable speculation and against forum rules.

I believe that calling African Americans a ‘sacred class’ is a blasphemous slur. If I’m in the wrong I’m sure your inevitable flag will get me censored.

 

[pnewton]

If that happens, for what it is worth, I tend to agree with you. But then I got flagged for saying “I can’t believe you went there”, when someone compared me to a pedophile.

But this was just a fight, an argument, a set-to. Anyone that thinks they know what happened is simply confused about the difference between opinion and blind speculation. We do not know. Let the local constabulary hash it out.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Courts do not know a person’s heart, mind and motive with a two minute cell phone clip.

Now days, other activity may be considered if discovered. This includes group memberships and social media posts.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I believe that calling African Americans a ‘sacred class’ is a blasphemous slur. If I’m in the wrong I’m sure your inevitable flag will get me censored.

Blacks are not a “sacred class”. They’re a “protected class” under the law in many things.

Regardless, charging this old woman with a felony is outrageously excessive. A technical misdemeanor assault, yes. Felony? No.

 

[Rubee]

The courts can show without knowing the motive that one person killed another person, yes, but in order to show motive and intent the person who did the killing must be questioned and examined along with the situation and history of relationship and so much more evidence in order to prove murder and intent beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Courts do not know a person’s heart, mind and motive with a two minute cell phone clip.

Except you said NO ONE should be called racist even after I asked “No one”? Now youre making a different argument: There should be sufficient evidence. Well, as I said, its only wrong to claim racism without good cause and not as you initially claimed, ALWAYS, as tho it were impossible to detect racist attitudes and beliefs from behaviours, actions, words, and patterns.

And you’re still not accurate. You can tell a murder motive from a 2 minute video clip of the murder if it shows enough. Just like racism and all other claims, it depends on the case in question.

The woman subject in the story of this thread not only admitted a racial motive after profiling blavk strangers, she has a history of racist comments as well. No, there is nothing wrong in the accusations that she’s a racist. I don’t need to know whether she’s going to heaven or hell because of it (which is what heart-reading would involve) to reach the reasonable conclusion that she harbors racist attitudes specifically towards Black people/men.

 

[Rubee]

Regardless, charging this old woman with a felony is outrageously excessive. A technical misdemeanor assault, yes. Felony? No.

I can find agreement with you about what should be done to this woman without pretending she wasn’t being racist and belligerent. I am not salivating for her to go to jail. I DID think the Central Park lady should be charged for straight up lying to the cops/making a false report and in a situation that might have ended with a dead man. This old lady prolly has gotten enough shaming as punishment and will likely not be doing this again anytime soon.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I remember reading long ago that racism is rampant in the former Soviet Union, but it’s different. People of African descent are nearly unheard-of and the people referred to as “black” in that country are Central Asians. Issues between them and ethnic Russians are of an entirely different sort and much more serious.

I don’t know if that had anything to do with this woman’s hostility or not, but it’s possible.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

This old lady prolly has gotten enough shaming as punishment and will likely not be doing this again anytime soon.

That’s what Mr. Cooper (the man that Amy Cooper targeted in central park) said about Amy Cooper. She lost her job and was publically shamed. And the incident will continue to come up for Google searches of her name. He thought no further punishment was needed. His ask was for people to o ey the park rules.

 

[gam197]

I remember reading long ago that racism is rampant in the former Soviet Union, but it’s different. People of African descent are nearly unheard-of and the people referred to as “black” in that country are Central Asians. Issues between them and ethnic Russians are of an entirely different sort and much more serious.

I don’t know if that had anything to do with this woman’s hostility or not, but it’s possible

I have no idea. The article said she was a Russian refugee fleeing from persecution.

Otis Campbell’s parents also emigrated to the US. His response was,

He added that he was a bit surprised by Donoshaytis getting arrested again and was ‘caught out of left field’.

But he said he is pleased to see her charged with a hate crime, adding that he hopes she and others learn from the incident.

 

[Ridgerunner]

To my mind, Campbell’s “wish” is unbecoming. So this black man was insulted by an old lady. And for that she’s to be charged with a felony? I would say Otis Campbell is buying his purported virtue on the cheap.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Except you said NO ONE…/men

In all charity, if you read my comments, I did not say NO ONE after you asked, anyone?.

Summarizing my points, I said racism exists, it is real and there are people who are racist, though without sufficient evidence it is not our place to judge an individual person’s heart or mind or the whole situation that was happening based on a 2 minute video clip but that more evidence is needed.

Again, in all charity, I do not want to continue an argument that isn’t there.

God bless.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

And for that she’s to be charged with a felony?

Causal to the felony charge is hitting him. Had she not touched him I believe there might not be a charge to file at best and perhaps a harassment charge at worst.