Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S

[Catolico65]

I am not trying to diminish the evils of abortion, i.e., I am saying one should not compare the Nazis to present day American society, i.e., the Nazi regime, as befits the ideology, was based on hate (and there were abortions in Nazi Germany as well, including forced sterilizations of various groups).

p.s. God is also not interested in people accusing others of things they aren’t actually saying!

God bless!

You fail to realize the child sacrifice is based on hate and forcing violence upon persons against their will. It is very much an ideology. Please try to comprehend God is not interested in excuses, He is interested in protecting human life. By that measure the US is far worse than the Nazi’s because they have exterminated more lives and worse the most powerless and innocent human beings possible. To understand this one must read the Old Testament, such as the Prophetic books. Paz.

 

[josie_L]

VERY BIG THUMBS UP!!!

I have never thought about it like that, and now see the US in a much different light!

what hypocrites anyone here is to speak ill about the Nazis and anything they did.

Well, I’m a big girl, I can handle being called a “hypocrite” by some unknown person on the internet.

God bless!

 

[josie_L]

You fail to realize the child sacrifice is based on hate and forcing violence upon persons against their will. It is very much an ideology. Please try to comprehend God is not interested in excuses, He is interested in protecting human life. By that measure the US is far worse than the Nazi’s because they have exterminated more lives and worse the most powerless and innocent human beings possible. To understand this one must read the Old Testament, such as the Prophetic books. Paz.

I still do not believe that the U.S. is far worse than Nazi Germany, i.e., the situation in the U.S. can be reversed simply because Americans still have the right to change things for the better. Moreover, we would not even be having this debate were it not for the fact that Nazi Germany was defeated by the allies (just try imagine what kind of a world we’d be living in if they had not lost).

 

[josie_L]

It is a subject for another thread. But, as a lover of history, I must tell you that your opinion is not based in historical knowledge. From the Egyptians of biblical times, to the mongol societies, to even the slavery that built the New World, the ways of the Nazis were had by many societies. And you would do well to understand why a German of the time either participated in the mindset, or just believed the propaganda. If you study the situation and the Nazis in general there is a very real parallel to today’s holocaust. From the Doctors and Nurses being like camp guards, to the propaganda fed masses not knowing the real evils. Rarely is the Nazi card played so aptly as in the case of western abortion. But it is real easy to say “oh, those people were more hateful/worse than us!”
I’m sure many Germans thought that way as well.

I happen to have a degree in history, and as such a great love of history too, so, no it’s not because my opinion is not based on historical knowledge, although I’m sure it’s easier for you to believe that because I don’t share your opinion that America is more or equivalently as evil as Nazi Germany/regime.

p.s. Getting rid of abortion is what matters anyways, and that is still a possibility for the West if we pull together and change people’s hearts (especially those in government).

 

[Catolico65]

I still do not believe that the U.S. is far worse than Nazi Germany, i.e., the situation in the U.S. can be reversed simply because Americans still have the right to change things for the better. Moreover, we would not even be having this debate were it not for the fact that Nazi Germany was defeated by the allies (just try imagine what kind of a world we’d be living in if they had not lost).

The fact that Nazi Germany was evil and that we helped defeat them has nothing to do with the US in the present.

 

[kate_jackson]

…Our Father in heaven…your kingdom come…I cant wait for that day and thank God it is surely coming! Dont we need it ! All this mess and evil finished and with all your good company and seeing all those aborted babies loved with a full life restored Xxx Thankyou Jesus what you did for us and that we have a good future because of the love of God .

 

[Ridgerunner]

I don’t know that numbers determine which society is the more evil. But the prevalence of an evil in a society and acceptance of it is certainly instructive as to moral laxity among at least some. One needs to remember that abortion on demand was imposed by five men on this country, and at a time when the majority of the populace would have opposed it. It wasn’t a “will of the people” thing. Nazism came rather closer to being the “will of the people” than that.

So I don’t think we can say the U.S. is morally inferior to Nazi Germany.

However, I don’t think anyone can deny that the moral direction in the U.S. is not good. It isn’t just abortion, either. There is the desecration of marriage, the government’s oppression of religion, the celebration of sexual perversion. All of those are very bad signs for the future.

It is possible, certainly, for an evil government to spread evil among the people; like a metastatic cancer. The current U.S. government is determined to do just that, and is having quite a bit of success at it. Are we at the point at which the evils of the current ruling party have pervaded the society to a point that it can’t be reversed?

I don’t know, but the longer it goes on, the more difficult any kind of return will be.

 

[Catolico65]

I don’t know that numbers determine which society is the more evil.

With all due respect God has taught us that indeed “numbers” do matter to Him and in fact is evident in many passages in the Old Testament.

Furthermore, the claim that most Americans aren’t complicit in child sacrifice is to ignore the fact that many Americans repeatedly vote for the party of death, including millions of Catholics.

Furthermore still, the US is the center of the abomination of homosexuality and pornography which is being spread around the world via the prostitutes of Hollywood, MSM and the UN.

The Virgin Mary warned us of spreading “errors” and that is exactly what we are doing. No, God is not impressed and is ready to spit these lukewarm Christians that support these abominations out of His mouth.

 

[Ridgerunner]

With all due respect God has taught us that indeed “numbers” do matter to Him and in fact is evident in many passages in the Old Testament.

Furthermore, the claim that most Americans aren’t complicit in child sacrifice is to ignore the fact that many Americans repeatedly vote for the party of death, including millions of Catholics.

Furthermore still, the US is the center of the abomination of homosexuality and pornography which is being spread around the world via the prostitutes of Hollywood, MSM and the UN.

The Virgin Mary warned us of spreading “errors” and that is exactly what we are doing. No, God is not impressed and is ready to spit these lukewarm Christians that support these abominations out of His mouth.

The majority of Americans don’t approve of abortion on demand. What we had were five corrupt Supreme Court justices, and an abortion-loving administration.

In 2008, a majority of Americans did, indeed, vote for Obama. In 2012, a majority did again. But had it not been for the “conservatives” who didn’t vote at all because they didn’t think Romney was “pure” enough, Obama would no longer be in power.

But regardless, a majority still opposes abortion on demand. The majority of states do not approve homosexual “marriage”. It’s close, but you can’t characterize the whole society as abortion-lovers or profaners of marriage.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Something that needs to be remembered here.

There are more people in the U.S. who oppose abortion on demand than there are people in all of Russia.

 

[josie_L]

The majority of Americans don’t approve of abortion on demand. What we had were five corrupt Supreme Court justices, and an abortion-loving administration.

In 2008, a majority of Americans did, indeed, vote for Obama. In 2012, a majority did again. But had it not been for the “conservatives” who didn’t vote at all because they didn’t think Romney was “pure” enough, Obama would no longer be in power.

But regardless, a majority still opposes abortion on demand. The majority of states do not approve homosexual “marriage”. It’s close, but you can’t characterize the whole society as abortion-lovers or profaners of marriage.

Ridgerunner, I would advise you not to argue endlessly about this, i.e., all of us should just focus on fighting the evils that exist in society today (without having to compare Western societies to nasty dictatorial regimes).

God bless!

 

[Catolico65]

The majority of Americans don’t approve of abortion on demand. What we had were five corrupt Supreme Court justices, and an abortion-loving administration.

In 2008, a majority of Americans did, indeed, vote for Obama. In 2012, a majority did again. But had it not been for the “conservatives” who didn’t vote at all because they didn’t think Romney was “pure” enough, Obama would no longer be in power.

But regardless, a majority still opposes abortion on demand. The majority of states do not approve homosexual “marriage”. It’s close, but you can’t characterize the whole society as abortion-lovers or profaners of marriage.

You have made my point for me: it is because of lukewarm Christians from both political parties that have enabled the party of death to be re-elected thus enabling and prolonging child sacrifice.

 

[Catolico65]

Something that needs to be remembered here.

There are more people in the U.S. who oppose abortion on demand than there are people in all of Russia.

Yet Russia’s child sacrifice on demand is reducing by a great deal and may even be outlawed in the near future and yet we Americans by inaction or action enable the party of violence against the innocent to be reelected.

 

[josie_L]

Yet Russia’s child sacrifice on demand is reducing by a great deal and may even be outlawed in the near future and yet we Americans by inaction or action enable the party of violence against the innocent to be reelected.

And what makes you think that America couldn’t outlaw abortion in the near future (you’re simply disregarding all the good that pro-lifers have brought to the fore in the last decade or so)???

 

[Catolico65]

And what makes you think that America couldn’t outlaw abortion in the near future (you’re simply disregarding all the good that pro-lifers have brought to the fore in the last decade or so)???

People who are pro children are my brothers and sisters in Christ, nonetheless they are outnumbered.

It just isn’t the issue of child sacrifice, we Americans promote homosexuality to other countries via the UN and indoctrinate our own children in public and even private schools. The UN is very close imo to tyeing IMF loans to accepting the abomination of child sacrifice and homosexual indoctrination, this fulfilling the prophecy about countries giving up their sovereignty in the final times. Finally, Hollywood and the MSM are the whore of Babylon imo that promote our anti values around the world.

 

[Ridgerunner]

People who are pro children are my brothers and sisters in Christ, nonetheless they are outnumbered.

It just isn’t the issue of child sacrifice, we Americans promote homosexuality to other countries via the UN and indoctrinate our own children in public and even private schools. The UN is very close imo to tyeing IMF loans to accepting the abomination of child sacrifice and homosexual indoctrination, this fulfilling the prophecy about countries giving up their sovereignty in the final times. Finally, Hollywood and the MSM are the whore of Babylon imo that promote our anti values around the world.

I have no difficulty with your argument that the current government and many of elites (e.g., Hollywood) promote evil. But I protest characterizing all Americans that way. Many Americans have opposed such agendas with the means they had to do so.

And most Americans oppose abortion on demand. townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/10/gallup-58-percent-of-americans-oppose-all-or-most-abortions-n1592505

 

[Catolico65]

I have no difficulty with your argument that the current government and many of elites (e.g., Hollywood) promote evil. But I protest characterizing all Americans that way. Many Americans have opposed such agendas with the means they had to do so.

And most Americans oppose abortion on demand. townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/10/gallup-58-percent-of-americans-oppose-all-or-most-abortions-n1592505

Nobody said all Americans were that way, on the contrary.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Actually, it would take a sound defeat of the Democrat party in the next two elections. Unfortunately, that party is very good at persuading ill-informed voters that somehow they will benefit from electing them.

But let’s not idealize Russia with this. Russia has about half the population of the U.S. and twice as many abortions per year.

 

[Catolico65]

Actually, it would take a sound defeat of the Democrat party in the next two elections. Unfortunately, that party is very good at persuading ill-informed voters that somehow they will benefit from electing them.

But let’s not idealize Russia with this. Russia has about half the population of the U.S. and twice as many abortions per year.

The facts are Russia’s child sacrifice is on a drastic decline and have been recently outlawed after 20 weeks and no advertising is allowed. On the other hand, the US government has given record money to Planned Parenthood, US500 million in fact. We are going in the wrong direction while Russia is going in the right direction.

 

[Darryl1958]

America has only recently entered into a demographic situation of having a birth rate lower than replacement rate.
Russia is now in a critical state in that regard.

America is losing its religion at a steady rate, with more and more Americans becoming unchurched in any way each passing decade. One cannot underestimate how severe the damage has been to the religious faith of the Russian people after living for three generations under not only a godless but an anti-religion regime. Even as few as five years ago, when I last bothered to research the faith of Russians, religion for a large majority of them was mostly a cultural phenomena, and national pride in their Orthodox church. As for believing in the “superstitious stuff” like resurrections or even a deep spiritual connection with Christ, that had been seriously destroyed by the communist regime.

If Russian officials can raise up the spirituality of their population by making it into a “Gods race”, against the dastardly Americans, well it is kind of amusing, and maybe it is working a little too. Only recently Obama joined the Putin chorus in pronouncing the necessity of religious freedom as a global security matter, without in any way referencing that to Muslims needing protection from the Romneys of the world.

Russians face serious problems now, more serious than even Americans face, on the issue of life. The Way, the Truth, and the Life is a turn that we can all pray that Russia takes, and if Americans want to compete as to who is the better follower of Christ, I am all for that kind of Olympic sporting event.