Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S

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The facts are Russia’s child sacrifice is on a drastic decline and have been recently outlawed after 20 weeks and no advertising is allowed. On the other hand, the US government has given record money to Planned Parenthood, US500 million in fact. We are going in the wrong direction while Russia is going in the right direction.
There’s no “we” to it. Americans are currently ruled by an anti-Catholic ruler and his cohorts. Was a majority of Americans stupid enough to vote him and his people in? Yes. But a very sizeable minority opposed them.

Say what you want, but Russia’s abortion rate is still about four times that of America, shameful and horrific as the American rate is.

I do not excuse the societal corruption in the U.S. But I do dispute the assertion that somehow Russia is a shining exemplar of virtue. It isn’t.
 
Personally, I think it’s a veneer, i.e., superficial at best (scratch beneath the surface and there’s not that much religiosity amongst Russians).
Its true. I think obviously that most russians believe in God, but ive heard only about 10% attend orthodox church services once a week. So russia is not some holy empire. Also, i think putin is using the church to push his agenda. Im sure hes christian, but i just get tje feeling he is more of an oligarch than a chridtian ruler
 
There’s no “we” to it. Americans are currently ruled by an anti-Catholic ruler and his cohorts. Was a majority of Americans stupid enough to vote him and his people in? Yes. But a very sizeable minority opposed them.

Say what you want, but Russia’s abortion rate is still about four times that of America, shameful and horrific as the American rate is.

I do not excuse the societal corruption in the U.S. But I do dispute the assertion that somehow Russia is a shining exemplar of virtue. It isn’t.
No one here has stated that Russia is a shining example of virtue only that it is heading in the right direction and improving compared to the States.
 
No one here has stated that Russia is a shining example of virtue only that it is heading in the right direction and improving compared to the States.
I think if you look into it, Russia has a very poor record on freedom of the press, freedom of speech and other fundamental rights; including, many would say, freedom of religion.
 
I think if you look into it, Russia has a very poor record on freedom of the press, freedom of speech and other fundamental rights; including, many would say, freedom of religion.
God is interested in the present and has made this abundantly clear.

Furthermore, we have no free press and freedom of speech is dwindling away by proxy of pc, freedom of religion in the States is an excuse to promote paganism and as far as fundamental rights go we don’t even protect our children from assassination nor homosexual indoctrination. Americans should read the OT.
 
God is interested in the present and has made this abundantly clear.

Furthermore, we have no free press and freedom of speech is dwindling away by proxy of pc, freedom of religion in the States is an excuse to promote paganism and as far as fundamental rights go we don’t even protect our children from assassination nor homosexual indoctrination. Americans should read the OT.
I’m sorry, I wasn’t clear: I should have said: I think if you look into it, Russia currently has a very poor record on freedom of the press, freedom of speech and other fundamental rights; including, many would say, freedom of religion.

Most of the persecution against the press in Russia has to do with whose side of the political divide you are on. Pro-or anti-Putin and his allies. See:
freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2013/russia#.UvmLY5Tn8fQ
 
There’s more than one way to make an omelette, Jharek, i.e., you can reach the hearts of everyday citizens (even if the present government is not willing to hear us)! And we have seen a sea of change as well, the pro-life movement is growing especially among the young, and we are seeing abortion clinics closing. I think it’s laudable that Russia is doing things to reduce and possibly eradicate abortion, but those same possibilities exist in America!

God bless.
 
I’m sorry, I wasn’t clear: I should have said: I think if you look into it, Russia currently has a very poor record on freedom of the press, freedom of speech and other fundamental rights; including, many would say, freedom of religion.

Most of the persecution against the press in Russia has to do with whose side of the political divide you are on. Pro-or anti-Putin and his allies. See:
freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2013/russia#.UvmLY5Tn8fQ
I don’t believe the US is in better in God’s eyes.
 
And that’s ok, as long as you realize that there is still hope to change things around!
There is always hope for man on a personal basis. As far as the West is concerned, we are past the point of no return.
 
Many Americans unfortunately feel that we have a birthright to the the most blessed and greatest nation in the world. However, after reading the history of ancient Israel I know this based on false notion that we perpetually tell ourselves. Just like we as person need to examine our conscience to recognize our wrongdoing, we need to do that as a nation or pay the consequences.
 
Personally, I think it’s a veneer, i.e., superficial at best (scratch beneath the surface and there’s not that much religiosity amongst Russians).
Its true. I think obviously that most russians believe in God, but ive heard only about 10% attend orthodox church services once a week. So russia is not some holy empire. Also, i think putin is using the church to push his agenda. Im sure hes christian, but i just get tje feeling he is more of an oligarch than a chridtian ruler
 
I’m sorry, I wasn’t clear: I should have said: I think if you look into it, Russia currently has a very poor record on freedom of the press, freedom of speech and other fundamental rights; including, many would say, freedom of religion.
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Why?
Jews, Moslems and Orthodox Christians are free to practice their religion. In fact, many Orthodox Churches have been rebuilt with help from the state. How many churches in the USA have been built with tax dollars?
What kind of freedom of religion is it in the USA when in Los Angeles the city is forbidden to portray a Catholic Church with a cross on top of it? What kind of freedom of religion is it when Catholics are required to pay for contraceptives under Obama? When was the last time you saw Obama kissing an icon? What kind of freedom of religion is it when a baker is required to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple, or else the gestappo will intervene?
 
Why?
Jews, Moslems and Orthodox Christians are free to practice their religion. In fact, many Orthodox Churches have been rebuilt with help from the state. How many churches in the USA have been built with tax dollars?
What kind of freedom of religion is it in the USA when in Los Angeles the city is forbidden to portray a Catholic Church with a cross on top of it? What kind of freedom of religion is it when Catholics are required to pay for contraceptives under Obama? When was the last time you saw Obama kissing an icon? What kind of freedom of religion is it when a baker is required to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple, or else the gestappo will intervene?
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Why?
Jews, Moslems and Orthodox Christians are free to practice their religion. In fact, many Orthodox Churches have been rebuilt with help from the state. How many churches in the USA have been built with tax dollars?

What kind of freedom of religion is it in the USA when in Los Angeles the city is forbidden to portray a Catholic Church with a cross on top of it? What kind of freedom of religion is it when Catholics are required to pay for contraceptives under Obama? When was the last time you saw Obama kissing an icon? What kind of freedom of religion is it when a baker is required to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple, or else the gestappo will intervene?
The constitution provides for freedom of religion, and the Government generally respected this right in practice; however, in some cases authorities imposed restrictions on certain groups. Although the constitution provides for the equality of all religions before the law and the separation of church and state, the Government did not always respect these provisions.

Conditions improved for some minority religious groups while remaining largely the same for most, and government policy continued to contribute to the generally free practice of religion for most of the population. Some federal agencies, such as the Federal Registration Service, and many local authorities, continued to restrict the rights of a few religious minorities. Legal obstacles to registration under a complex 1997 law “On Freedom of Conscience and Associations” (the 1997 Law) continued to seriously disadvantage some religious groups considered nontraditional. There were indications that the security services, including the Federal Security Service (FSB), treated the leadership of some Islamic groups as security threats.

There were reports of societal abuses and discrimination based on religious belief or practice. Religious matters were not a source of social tension or problems for the large majority of citizens, but there were some problems between majority and minority groups.

Prejudices against non-Orthodox religions were behind manifestations of anti-Semitism and occasional friction with non Orthodox Christian denominations. Because racism and religious bigotry are often intertwined, it was sometimes difficult to determine which prejudice was the primary motivation behind discrimination against members of religious groups. Conservative activists claiming ties to the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) occasionally disseminated negative publications and held protest meetings against religions considered nontraditional, including alternative Orthodox congregations. Some ROC clergy stated publicly their opposition to any expansion of the presence of Roman Catholics, Protestants, and other non-Orthodox denominations.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Russia

So ask Roman Catholics, Evangelicals, Jews and Muslims in Russia and they will tell you
 
Why?
Jews, Moslems and Orthodox Christians are free to practice their religion. In fact, many Orthodox Churches have been rebuilt with help from the state. How many churches in the USA have been built with tax dollars?
What kind of freedom of religion is it in the USA when in Los Angeles the city is forbidden to portray a Catholic Church with a cross on top of it? What kind of freedom of religion is it when Catholics are required to pay for contraceptives under Obama? When was the last time you saw Obama kissing an icon? What kind of freedom of religion is it when a baker is required to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple, or else the gestappo will intervene?
Actually, Catholics are not given the same religious rights that Moslems and Jews are given (and I think I mentioned this in several of my posts already). There is, in other words, discrimination against Catholics in Russia (and some other Protestant denominations).
 
I live close to a monastery of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, and, in the past, have attended many liturgies there and developed relationships with a few of the monks (I don’t advocate this now, I feel it was probably a mistake, but this was a different time…). Anyway, I think Russian history is pretty interesting…it seems like the same thing happened there to the Orthodox during their revolution that happened to us Catholics in France during the French Revolution…anyway, what do you guys think about this story? And about Russia in general these days?

washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/28/whos-godless-now-russia-says-its-us/?page=2
Thanks for the link.
 
Actually, Catholics are not given the same religious rights that Moslems and Jews are given (and I think I mentioned this in several of my posts already). There is, in other words, discrimination against Catholics in Russia (and some other Protestant denominations).
If you are Catholic, you are free to attend Mass in a Catholic Church in Russia. What is the problem. On March 13, 2007, Vladimir Putin visited the Vatican and discussed with Pope Benedict XVI ways to improve relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church in Russia.
 
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