Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S

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My wife recently watched the new Tom Clancy movie. My wife saw it and said it had a lot in it that showed Russia in a negative light. Now she can’t stand my supporting Russia in the Olympics or my Putin fandom. Are they as “good” as America? I guess we could debate that, but I think two things are not debatable. As a former totalitarian, atheist state, they are really doing well. As a former constitutional republic that professed both democracy and a belief that “in God we trust”, we are doing terrible.

Since Jesus teaches that to whom much is given, much will be expected, I believe Russia now has the moral high ground.
 
That’s my point as well PNewton. I still remember hearing a Protestant radio minister after the collapse of the Soviet Union, tell how he handed out bible tracts in Red Square Moscow and how amazed he was at the response. He claimed nearly everyone was reading them. Earlier in the year he had done the same thing in Downtown Manhattan, only to see the leaflets immediately tossed on the ground or the nearest waste bin.
 
Seamus_L said:
That’s my point as well PNewton. I still remember hearing a Protestant radio minister after the collapse of the Soviet Union, tell how he handed out bible tracts in Red Square Moscow and how amazed he was at the response. He claimed nearly everyone was reading them. Earlier in the year he had done the same thing in Downtown Manhattan, only to see the leaflets immediately tossed on the ground or the nearest waste bin.
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Based on the Bible tracts that I’ve seen, the only appropriate place for them is in the trash. Maybe it’s that we’ve seen the same “you’ll burn in hell” nonsense too many times and it was still new to curious Russians.
 
pnewton said:
My wife recently watched the new Tom Clancy movie. My wife saw it and said it had a lot in it that showed Russia in a negative light. Now she can’t stand my supporting Russia in the Olympics or my Putin fandom.
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Personally, I don’t think it is wise to use an American movie to decide one’s opinions on world issues. There have been cases where American movies do not give an accurate picture of the real world.
 
Tomdstone said:
Personally, I don’t think it is wise to use an American movie to decide one’s opinions on world issues. There have been cases where American movies do not give an accurate picture of the real world.
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What?! no!

Bond, James Bond.
 
Tomdstone said:
Personally, I don’t think it is wise to use an American movie to decide one’s opinions on world issues. There have been cases where American movies do not give an accurate picture of the real world.
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Three questions:
  1. Did you notice it was my wife?
  2. Are you married?
  3. If so, how much luck do you have on correcting your wife on world politics?
Hey, when I get daggers stared at me for my Putin chant, I’m not touching Tom Clancy, especially with Chris Pine in the lead role.
 
pnewton said:
Three questions:
  1. Did you notice it was my wife?
  2. Are you married?
  3. If so, how much luck do you have on correcting your wife on world politics?
Hey, when I get daggers stared at me for my Putin chant, I’m not touching Tom Clancy, especially with Chris Pine in the lead role.
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Well, I have not changed my opinion on that. Generally, I would say that it is weak grounds to base a position on world events or on anything really, because an American movie does so. I think it would be better to have a secondary confirming source., IMHO, it would not matter whether a person was married or single. I do not regard American movies as the best source for information of an academic nature.
 
Catolico65 said:
Do you read the news, the Bible or world history?
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Again, I’ll repeat the question, are you psychic (apparently you know that the West is past the point of no return, and that Russia is on it’s way to eradicating abortion, and becoming the greatest Christian nation on earth)?
 
Tomdstone said:
If you are Catholic, you are free to attend Mass in a Catholic Church in Russia. What is the problem. On March 13, 2007, Vladimir Putin visited the Vatican and discussed with Pope Benedict XVI ways to improve relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church in Russia.
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That is freedom of worship not freedom of religion.
 
josie_L said:
Again, I’ll repeat the question, are you psychic (apparently you know that the West is past the point of no return, and that Russia is on it’s way to eradicating abortion, and becoming the greatest Christian nation on earth)?
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You should read history and the Bible my friend.

As far as Russia being the “greatest Christian nation” given that I never claimed that I see no point in having to exaggerate to try to make a point as it is disingenuous.
 
Catolico65 said:
You should read history and the Bible my friend.

As far as Russia being the “greatest Christian nation” given that I never claimed that I see no point in having to exaggerate to try to make a point as it is disingenuous.
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I have read many historical books and I’ve read the Bible many times, I just don’t predict things because I’m not God. So rather than assuming that things are so bad they can’t be fixed I prefer to believe that things can still change.

God bless.

P.S. And my comment was meant to be an exaggeration because I feel people are blowing things all out of proportion with regards to Russia.
 
josie_L said:
I have read many historical books and I’ve read the Bible many times, I just don’t predict things because I’m not God. So rather than assuming that things are so bad they can’t be fixed I prefer to believe that things can still change.

God bless.
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I prefer to believe the Bible. Paz.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Do you believe it is not?
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I’m not sure, i.e., I don’t have a crystal ball, so in the mean time I do not attempt to make predictions of any sort (like the West is past the point of no return). For all I know the end of the world can come hundreds of years after we die.
 
josie_L said:
I’m not sure, i.e., I don’t have a crystal ball, so in the mean time I do not attempt to make predictions of any sort (like the West is past the point of no return). For all I know the end of the world can come hundreds of years after we die.
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With all due respect no one is making finite predictions. We are merely deferring to the signs given in Scripture. Please try to discern the difference.
 
josie_L said:
I’m not sure, i.e., I don’t have a crystal ball, so in the mean time I do not attempt to make predictions of any sort (like the West is past the point of no return). For all I know the end of the world can come hundreds of years after we die.
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I would agree with that.

The great thing about God is nothing is ever “past the point of no return” Even if the world ends tomorrow. That being said, there are “signs” and we are supposed to recognize the time in which we live. The road we are on is not a good one and we seem to be picking up speed on it rather than turning around.🤷 If the world ends tomorrow or 10,000 years from tomorrow one thing is certain. The “world” will end for many unborn babies today.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I would agree with that.

The great thing about God is nothing is ever “past the point of no return” Even if the world ends tomorrow. That being said, there are “signs” and we are supposed to recognize the time in which we live. The road we are on is not a good one and we seem to be picking up speed on it rather than turning around.🤷 If the world ends tomorrow or 10,000 years from tomorrow one thing is certain. The “world” will end for many unborn babies today.
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With all due respect those that propose the world will end in 10,000 years or so would clearly ignore what the Bible says regarding this matter. Here are some clear signs that we are close.
  1. Right is wrong and wrong is right.
  2. Child sacrifice, which God abhors, has taken more lives in the last 50 years than all the person that have died in all the wars since the beginning of man.
  3. Homosexuality, which God abhors, is widespread and worse is being forced on innocent children.
  4. The Gospel has all but reached all parts of the World.
  5. Many prediction is Revelation are becoming true such as countries giving up their sovereignty due to the UN, IMF, EU and free trade agreements.
  6. The love for many has grown cold, so children and the weak are discarded. No wonder so many people suffer from severe mental disease in the West.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I would agree with that.

The great thing about God is nothing is ever “past the point of no return” Even if the world ends tomorrow. That being said, there are “signs” and we are supposed to recognize the time in which we live. The road we are on is not a good one and we seem to be picking up speed on it rather than turning around.🤷 If the world ends tomorrow or 10,000 years from tomorrow one thing is certain. The “world” will end for many unborn babies today.
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Agreed, that as a society we are not on a good path morally speaking (understatement), but we have been down this road before, i.e., every century has had it’s horrors (its anti-Christ/s), what I’m suggesting is that we do not fall into despair and believe that we are past the point of no return. Hope is essential to every Christian, and since we do not know the exact time that the world will come to an end, we must keep in mind that before things can get better things may get worse (I see it in my own spiritual life).

P.S. Have you ever read David Currie’s (Catholic convert) book “The Rapture”, it’s a must read?
 
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