Who are the protesters behind Occupy Wall Street–and what do they want?

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Yeah, 'cause as of 1933, things weren’t *that *bad. :rolleyes: Talk about rewriting history.
FDR was in the wrong political party, hence it was his fault. It’s not like that Republican guy named Hoover who was President when the Stock Market crashed and then was subsequently defeated by FDR in a landslide had anything to do with the poor economy 😛

The irony here is many conservatives complain about schools indoctrinating kids with falsehoods
 
The U.S. value system emphasizes economic freedom. It also recognizes that the market is limited by fundamental human rights. Human rights are the minimum conditions for life in community. They include not only civil and political rights but also economic rights.

All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment.

Unemployment undermines the self-respect of both middle-aged persons how have lost jobs and the young who cannot find them. Today, hard-working men and women wonder if the system of enterprise that helped them yesterday might destroy their jobs and communities tomorrow.

Labor unions help workers resist exploitation. Through government, the people of the United States have provided support for education, access to food, unemployment compensation, security in old age, and protection of the environment. The market system contributes to the success of the U.S. economy, but so do many efforts to forge economic institutions and public policies that enable *all *to share in the riches of the nation.

Extreme inequality is a threat to the solidarity of the human community, for great disparities lead to deep social divisions and conflict.

Do you agree with this?
Nope
 
The U.S. value system emphasizes economic freedom. It also recognizes that the market is limited by fundamental human rights. Human rights are the minimum conditions for life in community. They include not only civil and political rights but also economic rights.

All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment.

Unemployment undermines the self-respect of both middle-aged persons how have lost jobs and the young who cannot find them. Today, hard-working men and women wonder if the system of enterprise that helped them yesterday might destroy their jobs and communities tomorrow.

Labor unions help workers resist exploitation. Through government, the people of the United States have provided support for education, access to food, unemployment compensation, security in old age, and protection of the environment. The market system contributes to the success of the U.S. economy, but so do many efforts to forge economic institutions and public policies that enable *all *to share in the riches of the nation.

Extreme inequality is a threat to the solidarity of the human community, for great disparities lead to deep social divisions and conflict.

Do you agree with this?
Sure. But, I’m guessing we disagree on which level of government and the amount involvement in the market, which this excerpt (USCCB document? No citation. :tsktsk: ) doesn’t touch on.
 
The U.S. value system emphasizes economic freedom. It also recognizes that the market is limited by fundamental human rights. Human rights are the minimum conditions for life in community. They include not only civil and political rights but also economic rights.

All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment.

Unemployment undermines the self-respect of both middle-aged persons how have lost jobs and the young who cannot find them. Today, hard-working men and women wonder if the system of enterprise that helped them yesterday might destroy their jobs and communities tomorrow.

Labor unions help workers resist exploitation. Through government, the people of the United States have provided support for education, access to food, unemployment compensation, security in old age, and protection of the environment. The market system contributes to the success of the U.S. economy, but so do many efforts to forge economic institutions and public policies that enable *all *to share in the riches of the nation.

Extreme inequality is a threat to the solidarity of the human community, for great disparities lead to deep social divisions and conflict.

Do you agree with this?
I do and I don’t.

I don’t see why it makes a difference to me if other people are rich unless they are actively engaged in putting me down. I have seen unions do a lot of bad things in recent decades.

I also wonder about the jobs thing. How can we have a right to a job? If there are no jobs somewhere, who will provide me with the job I have a right to? Do I have a right to a job if I am a lousy employee? If all businesses were to disappear, where would I get a job?
 
Sure. But, I’m guessing we disagree on which level of government and the amount involvement in the market, which this excerpt (USCCB document? No citation. :tsktsk: ) doesn’t touch on.
I claim “Fair Use” and trust that the Bishops will not sue me for plagiarizing their work. 😃

According to the Bishops, the smallest level of government that is required to secure the basic human rights of all people - and corporations are NOT people. If it can be accomplished at the state level - then good. If it requires a federal program - fine.

All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment. - That’s John Paul II’s list.

Support for education
Access to food
Unemployment compensation
Security in old age
Protection of the environment

These are all things the Bishops say the government should do. You should read whole document. It is frightfully prophetic.

usccb.org/upload/economic_justice_for_all.pdf
 
According to the Bishops, the smallest level of government that is required to secure the basic human rights of all people - and corporations are NOT people. If it can be accomplished at the state level - then good. If it requires a federal program - fine.
No problem here. I would point out, however, that there is also local/municipal government. Also, you and I probably differ on what constitutes “securing” basic human rights.
All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment. - That’s John Paul II’s list.

Support for education
Access to food
Unemployment compensation
Security in old age
Protection of the environment

These are all things the Bishops say the government should do. You should read whole document. It is frightfully prophetic.

usccb.org/upload/economic_justice_for_all.pdf
Again, it is a matter of how much and where. There is nothing prophetic about it. 😛 We have all of those things today.
 
No problem here. I would point out, however, that there is also local/municipal government. Also, you and I probably differ on what constitutes “securing” basic human rights.

Again, it is a matter of how much and where. There is nothing prophetic about it. 😛 We have all of those things today.
When was the last time you read this document?
 
When was the last time you read this document?
Years. But, I just finished reading the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church. I don’t see a reason to go back and re-read an old USCCB document that deals with only a portion of the Church’s teaching area with less authority. 🤷

Is this your end-all-be-all document or something?
 
Years. But, I just finished reading the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church. I don’t see a reason to go back and re-read an old USCCB document that deals with only a portion of the Church’s teaching area with less authority. 🤷

Is this your end-all-be-all document or something?
Oh no! That would be the The Dialogue of Saint Catherine of Siena. Her letters are very good too!
 
The U.S. value system emphasizes economic freedom. It also recognizes that the market is limited by fundamental human rights. Human rights are the minimum conditions for life in community. They include not only civil and political rights but also economic rights.

All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment.

Unemployment undermines the self-respect of both middle-aged persons how have lost jobs and the young who cannot find them. Today, hard-working men and women wonder if the system of enterprise that helped them yesterday might destroy their jobs and communities tomorrow.

Labor unions help workers resist exploitation. Through government, the people of the United States have provided support for education, access to food, unemployment compensation, security in old age, and protection of the environment. The market system contributes to the success of the U.S. economy, but so do many efforts to forge economic institutions and public policies that enable *all *to share in the riches of the nation.

Extreme inequality is a threat to the solidarity of the human community, for great disparities lead to deep social divisions and conflict.

Do you agree with this?
Of course. These are the things that occupy wall street are supporting. I understand and appreciate that Catholic bishops are in office to teach, rule and sanctify and that is why all Catholics should pay close attention and observe their excellent moral teachings such as given here.
 
Now with the unions revving up to bring back the auto and steel industry to the Rust Belt at maximium wages, and the OWS protesters are joinin ght echurch wholeheartedly in the fight for Socal Justice and Fairness and Love and Hope, Utopia is sure to just around the corner.🙂

Halleluiah!!!

Happy Days are Here Again!

Roll out the Barrels we’ll have a barrel of fun!!!

Who know that pooping on police cars would have such a revolutionary effect on society!!!👍
 
Of course. These are the things that occupy wall street are supporting. I understand and appreciate that Catholic bishops are in office to teach, rule and sanctify and that is why all Catholics should pay close attention and observe their excellent moral teachings such as given here.
I pay very close attention to the teaching of the Magetserium. I haven’t heard of any bishops endorsing the OWS protests. Mine hasn’t said a word about them.
 
I do and I don’t.

I don’t see why it makes a difference to me if other people are rich unless they are actively engaged in putting me down. I have seen unions do a lot of bad things in recent decades.

I also wonder about the jobs thing. How can we have a right to a job? If there are no jobs somewhere, who will provide me with the job I have a right to? Do I have a right to a job if I am a lousy employee? If all businesses were to disappear, where would I get a job?
I guess no one is going to answer my questions…
 
The U.S. value system emphasizes economic freedom. It also recognizes that the market is limited by fundamental human rights. Human rights are the minimum conditions for life in community. They include not only civil and political rights but also economic rights.

All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment.

Unemployment undermines the self-respect of both middle-aged persons how have lost jobs and the young who cannot find them. Today, hard-working men and women wonder if the system of enterprise that helped them yesterday might destroy their jobs and communities tomorrow.

Labor unions help workers resist exploitation. Through government, the people of the United States have provided support for education, access to food, unemployment compensation, security in old age, and protection of the environment. The market system contributes to the success of the U.S. economy, but so do many efforts to forge economic institutions and public policies that enable *all *to share in the riches of the nation.

Extreme inequality is a threat to the solidarity of the human community, for great disparities lead to deep social divisions and conflict.

Do you agree with this?
How does this relate to the Occupation of Wall Street?
 
I claim “Fair Use” and trust that the Bishops will not sue me for plagiarizing their work. 😃

According to the Bishops, the smallest level of government that is required to secure the basic human rights of all people - and corporations are NOT people. If it can be accomplished at the state level - then good. If it requires a federal program - fine.

All people have a right to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, education, and employment. - That’s John Paul II’s list.

Support for education
Access to food
Unemployment compensation
Security in old age
Protection of the environment

These are all things the Bishops say the government should do. You should read whole document. It is frightfully prophetic.

usccb.org/upload/economic_justice_for_all.pdf
According to SCOTUS, corporations are people, but the unborn are not. You’ll have to take it up with them. 🤷

All people have a right to education, rest, employment? On what are these rights based?
 
I can tell they are relying on mob mentality, rather than rational thought here. Threatening people’s lives and trying to terrify individuals with “We know where you and your children live” tactics makes them no better than terrorists.
Amen, Its the negative feeding the negative and a mob mentality. Violent acts in NYC will find them in Central Booking with a bond they cannot make, and unable to see a judge for three-days. And I assure you the mob will not be there to speak for them. And “if” you get out on bond you will never commit another crime in NYC.

Anyway…

The Homeless, Starving and naked and cold. Choose this path. Now listen carefully and I’ll explain “why”. Heres the real statistics, 85% are alcoholics/addicts. And no you are not allowed HIGH in the shelters to create wanton acts and distrupt the situation. There are alerts in “all” the Northern states when the temp-drops, and you are advised to go the shelters. If you arrive drunk you are sent to detoxe/psych ward or depending on the situation given a spot where you can observed. Postive breath tests results in 24-hr ejection. Who wants to deal with drunks when your seriously busy??? The addicts, well they are urine track tested. Depending on their behavior, personally I worked with them. However, when they start acting stupid they are history, repeated postive results on drug testing means in-patient programs immediately or yes, you have to leave. Nothing like the occasional over-dose when your alone with 50-residents to pass the night. My sympathy in this situation extends but to the point of manipulation. Its you listen, learn or leave. And no its not debatable.

The shelters serve balanced meals 3X daily and snacks are out “all” the time. And yes they often leave overweight.

Now of the other 15%, 5% are actual natural disaster situations, fires, floods etc. The remainding 10% range from mental-heath issues with medication mis-management, tragic job/home loss situations, domestic violence etc. The mental health is a bit tricky, most carry zip-lock pound bags of meds. It takes a week or so to straighten out there meds, then most chose to leave. Many are trauma case’s and need long-term help, as is Domestic-Violence case’s. These sometimes arrive at the shelter and are often placed in the network in salf-houses. When not the male usually shows up acting like king-kong. That results in a scene and arrest. And on and on and on.

Want to know the “truth” spend an hour a week volunteering. They could use your eyes or hands for an hour around dinner time.

And in case no-one has noticed the in-patient substance abuse facilitys are on the decline. Theres simply is no extra money to fund them. Many are non-profit and struggle to exist. The larger private, are suspect. In my experience with them they create a larger problem to keep residents “hooked” on dope to fund their facilitys. Today its common. Why would they do that? Because you will come back year after year for that drug. So you became a “paycheck” and job security. Or the reverse side is the insurance traps where your treated like a King for 30-days to bleed your insurance companys and then kindly shown the door. You leave with little to no help. 🤷

These kids in NYC don’t have a problem, they are creating one. The wanton acts of violence are not acceptable. You want to demonstrate in PEACE, fine. Violence? Oh-no they have enough issues in NYC. Keep playing around down their in NYC and you find all the trouble your looking for. They are much to busy for children with nothing to do. Who show up, and make no-sense, with sticks and stones, beating helpless innocent SS clients on the streets of NYC with a mob mentality.

BTW NYC law reserves the right not to allow you to see a Judge for 72-hours. To think they will continue to slap you on the hand and send you home with a ticket is foolish thinking. Wait to you apply for a job with a felony record. The we are 100-thousand strong threat is nonsense. They have the most advanced, highly trained military in the world here.

The hodgepodge thinking in what the mobs issues really are make no-sense. Your being used and manipulated. And you will be the one who pays the price for anothers agenda.

Figure out what your “real” issues are and present them in “peace” in “WASHINGTON” Wall Street has no control over any of this. If you can’t present a logical case then you have no case, and are wasting your time, and your good name and reputation.

If you want to repeat the world wide riot mentality. you picked the wrong place to play that game. And for no good reason.

And you know what, you can get a GED for FREE. You can attend “state” schools buy used books. And yes the economy is bad. This didn’t happen overnight. Haven’t we all noticed?? And it won’t change overnight either.

We created the problem and will have to all fix it in peace and rational thinking. We could start with the public school system which we basically destroyed. Look at the behavior and education difference in Catholic Grammer Schools and Public Schools? In public schools the teachers are reduced to “no-control” the kids will siimply call 911 for physical, verbal or psych. abuse. Go to you local public high school on any given day and take a look at how many students are at the principles office. We need to go back to “correct” teaching of children “first”.

And the import/export? What happened to buy American? We need to bring “our” spending back into this country. Thats what creates small business which creates jobs.
 
You are completely right. Maybe they can start by electing someone who won’t keep handing out bail out checks. :rolleyes:

I also love how they seem to insinuate that the people against them aren’t hit by the economic crisis. I’m a lay-off that had to go back to school to be re-trained so I can re-enter the workforce. I actually got out there and DID something to fix the problem, rather than whine about the government not fixing it for me. And when I finish school, I’m going to fight just as hard to get and keep a job. This time I’m doing the SMART thing, rather than what people with no real experience in anything said I “ought to do.”

I am doing okay. Things are settling down, but I’m still recovering from the past couple weeks. As for the atmosphere on campus, I’m just having to spend a lot of time drowning everything out with Christan music on my iPod and I’ve started doodling christian art in my classes when they go on a tangent about how white American Christians are ruining the whole world. :rolleyes:Thanks for asking! :hug1:
Again Amen, to get out of this, we need to “correctly” evaluate the issues. We need to return to the foundation the country was build on. And that is true Christainity. In fact we need to further continue with the New Evangilization of the CC. Its the correct thinking and the best solution I have heard to date. Nope we don’t need to focus on the rest of the world, we need to refocus on civilized man. We asumed this would continue in the right direction, it didn’t. Back to basics is what it is, a well paved, proven path. Correct leadership and education from kindergarden up has to be re-evaluated. Back to Christainity is a must, and we all need to start speaking up for it.

We don’t really have problems with denominations. Those are lovers quarrels. Thats all it is. However on the main issues outside of Christianity we need to all stick together. In peace and with consistancy. The constant question must be what can we do as a collective whole that will bring Positive Change. And any negative behavior is counterproductive.

Peace

Peace
 
How does this relate to the Occupation of Wall Street?
It doesn’t and I “correctly” addressed this on the other related thread. This is a smoke screen, and an ill conceived one at that. Its illusion, and a lie.

Peace
 
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