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Darryl, next time you decide to libel liberals, I want you to remember whose government brought us the student loans, health care system, pensions, and the Canadian flag
this guys government;
Lester Pearson
Who are the protesters behind Occupy Wall Street–and what do they want?
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this guys government;
Lester Pearson
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jomoco
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Rig my friend, you need to get in better touch with your inner reagan consevative instinct.And, we’re still taxing the upper class earners progressively. What does that have to do with my post? I guess you are just ranting?
Let’s look at what the upper bracket paid in 1981 okay?
taxfoundation.org/files/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal&adjusted-20110909.pdf
Wow! 70%
And now under bush jr and obama?
Only 35%
We are more in debt now, and your conservative principle tells you to cut tax receipts to help balance our budget?
Is that a conservative’s principles?
Or a uniquely neo-conservative set of principles?
One of them can’t do simple math.
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rlg94086
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Actually, as estesbob says, you don’t understand the math involved with taxation rates. It is not as simple as 70% versus 35%. Anyway, it had nothing to do with my earlier post. Continue your rant.
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jomoco
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It’s the core issue behind the OWS protesters that distinguishes them from tea partiers. They want higher taxes on millionaires and billionaires.
The fact that tea partiers like boehner and norquist would rather see anarchy rather than returning to the tried and true precedented tax policies of our not so recent past to help balance our budget.
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St_Francis
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A one-liner in the middle of this article reporting that protesters in Rome attacked a church, ripping the crucifix off the wall and destroying a statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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louis91766
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This is vague. I need an address and telephone number, which you have not given up to now, indicating that this is just another vanishing job for people who are seeking work.
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louis91766
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Really? they paid 70% of their total income?
That’s not true according to billionaire Leona Helmsley. She said that seh paid no taxes and it was only the little people who paid taxes.
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jomoco
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Some did, others found as many creative deductions as they could reasonably make up or find genuine receipts for.
The point being that budgets being balanced fiscally is supposed to be the primary principle of any true conservative worth his salt.
Yet today’s neo-conservatives are convinced that a nation over 14 trillion dollars in debt, must again cut taxes to help rectify that fiscal disorder, with no precedent to show their funny math has ever balanced a single federal budget in our past.
Conservatives and neo-conservatives are two entirely different breeds in my opinion.
I respect the one, and pray for the other.
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rlg94086
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They clearly have envy…I’m guessing there is also some greed involved. Thus my earlier comments.
Now, you are just ranting.
There are no Tea Partiers who “would rather see anarchy.” If anything, there is a large contingent of OWS who favor anarchy.Besides, if we returned to the “tried and true precedented tax policies,” the “99%” would be paying more taxes, and the 1%'s burden would decrease. Is that what OWS folks want? Higher taxes for themselves?
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jomoco
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You remind me of Bob my friend.They clearly have envy…I’m guessing there is also some greed involved. Thus my earlier comments.
Now, you are just ranting.
Besides, if we returned to the “tried and true precedented tax policies,” the “99%” would be paying more taxes, and the 1%'s burden would decrease. Is that what OWS folks want? Higher taxes for themselves?
You see, he too suffers from this terrible inability to substantiate or document his more vague assertions and beliefs whatsoever.
My sympathies to you both dear friends.
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rlg94086
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american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes
My apologies - the top 1% tax burden is the same (1/2 the rate, but same tax burden…like I said, you don’t get the math), but the top 5% was 37% in 1980 versus 57% today. Guess who had a larger tax burden in 1980 compared to today?
…that would be the 95% who pay 43% today and paid 63% in the 80s. Is that what you want? Shift the tax burden to the lower pay ranges?
My sympathies to you and your fellow mathematically challenged OWS friends.
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jomoco
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Do you also deny that reagan came very close to tripling our natnl debt during his tenure?american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes
My apologies - the top 1% tax burden is the same (1/2 the rate, but same tax burden…like I said, you don’t get the math), but the top 5% was 37% in 1980 versus 57% today. Guess who had a larger tax burden in 1980 compared to today?
…that would be the 95% who pay 43% today and paid 63% in the 80s. Is that what you want? Shift the tax burden to the lower pay ranges?
My sympathies to you and your fellow mathematically challenged OWS friends.
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Monte_RCMS
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Unhappily, you do have to actually do a few things for yourself.
Such is life.
Read on … friend sent this without a link:
Associated Press
Oct 16, 1:29 PM EDT
Colleges expand offerings amid natural gas boom
By JULIE CARR SMYTH
Associated Press
ZANESVILLE, Ohio (AP) – Shuttered businesses and boarded-up houses dot the streets of historic Zanesville, the struggling river city where Cory May is starting a life with his young wife.
Until recently, job prospects in his native eastern Ohio were grim - even for a hard-working Marine reservist willing to work hard or relocate. May’s mother works as a school janitor in Cambridge, his nearby hometown. His machinist dad is among the county’s 11 percent unemployed. Most of his better situated friends are in the military or work at one of the area’s remaining factories.
“It’s either that or working minimum wage for the rest of your life, and let’s be honest, who really wants to do that?” said May, a sturdy 23-year-old who’s done a tour each in Iraq and Afghanistan since he turned 18.
The natural gas industry has changed his prospects.
Vast stores of natural gas in the Marcellus and Utica shales running under Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York and West Virginia have set off a rush to grab leases and secure permits to drill using the extraction technique called hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.
May snapped up the opportunity through his local community college, Zane State, to take a two-week, 80-hour shale exploration certification course developed by the private company Retrain America. When he graduated, he’d interviewed for three jobs and taken a position cementing wells for Halliburton that will pay $60,000 to $70,000 a year.
Zane State is among dozens of public colleges and universities across the northeastern shale states that are moving to add new staff, academic majors or job-training courses in fields related to natural gas.
Through a 3-year, $4.9 million grant from the U.S. Department of Labor, for example, five communities colleges in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and New York formed a coalition called ShaleNET. It’s focused on recruiting, training and placing people in high-priority natural gas occupations.
“There’s really been a sea change in these opportunities, a cornucopia of community colleges and local workforce training programs across the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio, even the southern tier of New York,” said Travis Windle, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, representing energy and exploration companies. “As natural gas continues to expand, so do the needs for a local workforce with these skills that are going to be in need for the next 50 years, or even more.”
Training shale workers is not only on the minds of energy interests in the Northeast; newly available resources in Colorado, Oklahoma, Wyoming and Texas have also been met with new educational offerings. Those include the Colorado Energy Research Institute’s outreach efforts with a dozen community and technical colleges, and the professional land management certificate program started just last month by the University of Texas at Austin. The field’s promised job growth is being documented.
New federal data released in September showed Washington County, Pa. - one of the nation’s most active shale gas-producing areas and home to the first Marcellus well - saw the third-highest percent increase in employment in the nation. A July study conducted by Penn State University estimated that the industry supported 44,000 jobs statewide last year. Industry estimates show the Marcellus boom could continue robust employment for as long as 50 years.
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rlg94086
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What does Reagan have to do with the tax burden differences between 1980 and 2007 (the date of the article I provided)?
BTW…I was a pro-Communist, Atheist high school student during the Reagan years and voted for Mondale in the first election I voted in. As I matured, converted and became educated, I shifted more and more toward the conservative viewpoint.
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Monte_RCMS
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cut for length:
A recent study by the Ohio Oil and Gas Association predicted that extracting natural gas from the Utica Shale, which deeply underlies the Marcellus, would create or support more than 200,000 Ohio jobs over the next four years.
Penn College of Technology, a member of ShaleNET, is offering classes in hot new areas of electronics, diesel technology or state-of-the-art welding, said Jeff Lorson, director of the college’s shale-related jobs center.
“We’re fortunate that in a lot of these cases these programs are full and with waiting lists,” Lorson said. “For the most part, we’ve got really good opportunities for people in the credit programs. We’ve got good enrollment, I’ll say that.”
The opportunities range from two-week training courses like the one May took - emphasizing rig operations, gas detection and site safety - to master’s and doctoral programs for scientists and engineers.
Professor Samuel Ameri, who chairs West Virginia University’s historic Petroleum and Natural Gas Engineering Department, said enrollments there have surged amid the rush, more than tripling from 74 students in 2004-05 to 242 students this year. Salaries are among the highest among engineering disciplines, he said - where medians range from $70,000 in the northern mountain states of Idaho, Montana and Wyoming to $106,000 in parts of Texas.
“The growth has been such that we are actively in search of two professors,” Ameri said recently. “We are drawing students from every corner of the world.”
Retrain America is developing training and re-training programs, some tuition-free, for qualified veterans, low-income, unemployed and dislocated workers. Other students can get loans. CEO Pete Bellavia said the company got its start in Pennsylvania last year, saw its first graduation in Ohio on Oct. 7, and will stretch to north Texas in November and Michigan after that. About 86 percent of the Ohio graduates had jobs as of last week.
“Our vision would be allowing individuals not have to be burdened with debt during this degree or take four years out of their life to get it,” he said.
History suggests that such booms ultimately make the rich richer and leave the working class about as it was. A 2008 academic analysis of Census data for the few years after the California Gold Rush began in 1848 found “economic outcomes were generally small or even zero for miners but were positive and large for non-miners.” The findings, by Carnegie Mellon University economist Karen Clay and CGI Federal consultant Randall Jones, appeared in the Journal of Economic History.
Chuck Wyrostock, outreach organizer for the Sierra Club of West Virginia’s natural gas campaign, said the economic benefits of the shale boom may be similarly short-lived.
“There is some danger in young people getting trained in the area, when maybe five or ten years from now other factors will keep them from taking advantage of it any further,” he said. He said jobs in alternative energy may overtake the shale gas as America is weaned off fossil fuels.
The Penn State study anticipated shale-related jobs would be available for 30 to 50 years, but that many workers would have to migrate over time, following the drilling rigs as they move from place to place. Many of the early jobs in Pennsylvania have been landed by out-of-state professionals, especially from energy-rich Texas, and that has concerned labor groups.
For now, May is basking in the boom times. He’s still floored that he got the opportunity right at home to catch such a wave.
“It blew my mind, really. I was like - what? It’s coming here?” May said. “It’s kind of unheard of, really.”
A recent study by the Ohio Oil and Gas Association predicted that extracting natural gas from the Utica Shale, which deeply underlies the Marcellus, would create or support more than 200,000 Ohio jobs over the next four years.
Penn College of Technology, a member of ShaleNET, is offering classes in hot new areas of electronics, diesel technology or state-of-the-art welding, said Jeff Lorson, director of the college’s shale-related jobs center.
“We’re fortunate that in a lot of these cases these programs are full and with waiting lists,” Lorson said. “For the most part, we’ve got really good opportunities for people in the credit programs. We’ve got good enrollment, I’ll say that.”
The opportunities range from two-week training courses like the one May took - emphasizing rig operations, gas detection and site safety - to master’s and doctoral programs for scientists and engineers.
Professor Samuel Ameri, who chairs West Virginia University’s historic Petroleum and Natural Gas Engineering Department, said enrollments there have surged amid the rush, more than tripling from 74 students in 2004-05 to 242 students this year. Salaries are among the highest among engineering disciplines, he said - where medians range from $70,000 in the northern mountain states of Idaho, Montana and Wyoming to $106,000 in parts of Texas.
“The growth has been such that we are actively in search of two professors,” Ameri said recently. “We are drawing students from every corner of the world.”
Retrain America is developing training and re-training programs, some tuition-free, for qualified veterans, low-income, unemployed and dislocated workers. Other students can get loans. CEO Pete Bellavia said the company got its start in Pennsylvania last year, saw its first graduation in Ohio on Oct. 7, and will stretch to north Texas in November and Michigan after that. About 86 percent of the Ohio graduates had jobs as of last week.
“Our vision would be allowing individuals not have to be burdened with debt during this degree or take four years out of their life to get it,” he said.
History suggests that such booms ultimately make the rich richer and leave the working class about as it was. A 2008 academic analysis of Census data for the few years after the California Gold Rush began in 1848 found “economic outcomes were generally small or even zero for miners but were positive and large for non-miners.” The findings, by Carnegie Mellon University economist Karen Clay and CGI Federal consultant Randall Jones, appeared in the Journal of Economic History.
Chuck Wyrostock, outreach organizer for the Sierra Club of West Virginia’s natural gas campaign, said the economic benefits of the shale boom may be similarly short-lived.
“There is some danger in young people getting trained in the area, when maybe five or ten years from now other factors will keep them from taking advantage of it any further,” he said. He said jobs in alternative energy may overtake the shale gas as America is weaned off fossil fuels.
The Penn State study anticipated shale-related jobs would be available for 30 to 50 years, but that many workers would have to migrate over time, following the drilling rigs as they move from place to place. Many of the early jobs in Pennsylvania have been landed by out-of-state professionals, especially from energy-rich Texas, and that has concerned labor groups.
For now, May is basking in the boom times. He’s still floored that he got the opportunity right at home to catch such a wave.
“It blew my mind, really. I was like - what? It’s coming here?” May said. “It’s kind of unheard of, really.”
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Monte_RCMS
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click:
latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/10/bethel-occupy-the-tundra-facebook.html
says it’s all bush’s fault
p.s. the article says they discovered gold. so git on up there and find your fortune!!
latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/10/bethel-occupy-the-tundra-facebook.html
says it’s all bush’s fault
p.s. the article says they discovered gold. so git on up there and find your fortune!!
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jomoco
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It’ll help me understand neo-conservative belief that cutting taxes with a 14 trillion dollar debt, somehow moves them closer to meeting the conservative principle of fiscally balanced budgets?
It makes no mathematical sense to me whatsoever.
Reagan did it and our debt more than doubled. Bush junior did it, same result. Obama’s done it, care to guess the results friend?
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TEPO
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This is what I don’t understand. As if there are only a set number of dollars and all the greedy wall street guys along with their billionaire friends are hoarding them all to themselves.:hey_bud: I think Dollars are only symbolic of contributions to society.
I do think that Americas real problem is oursourcing though. There are a few protesters I agree with like from this Tampa protest - wusf.usf.edu/news/2011/10/06/protestors_occupy_tampa_park , who seem pretty genuinely frustrated with the outsourcing.
There are ways to slow down the outsourcing, but people have a hard time focusing on it because the protests are so chaotic and unorganized. The protests were destined to fail before they began.
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rlg94086
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Oh got it, so you finished one rant and would now like to move onto another rant.
Boring.
I answered your earlier challenge. You can go play your games with someone else now.
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