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I believe it was the Blessed Mother.
Hi Hisalone, I saw your post after I posted but I’m glad we became a tag team for Abraham by not duplicating evidence.Abraham it is.
Who says there cant be unity in the Body of ChristHi Hisalone, I saw your post after I posted but I’m glad we became a tag team for Abraham by not duplicating evidence.
I still think the first Christians were Adam and Eve… or maybe Abel?it was calvin 2nd. calvin! you know this to be true…
Actually, by a “Christian” I mean someone who believes that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. Since God became incarnate in Mary’s body with her full and free consent, it seems to me that Mary is, therefore, the first Christian.Christ, In Colossians 1:18 says, "Christ is the head of the church, which is his body. He is the FIRST of all who will rise from the dead, so he is FIRST IN EVERYTHING. Now if by the word Christian you mean a person who BELIEVES in God.
Actually, by a “Christian” I mean someone who believes that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. Since God became incarnate in Mary’s body with her full and free consent, it seems to me that Mary is, therefore, the first Christian.
I think the Incarnation couldn’t be more intimately known by any other person than the person who was the organ of it’s operation. No one else lacked a human intermediary for the introduction of doubt. For Mary it wasn’t a matter of faith but a fact. For Joseph, Elizabeth, and anyone else priviledge to be near to it, there is an element of faith in her in their faith that an ordinary human birth hadn’t occured and that God is the true Father of the child. The Incarnation is evidence par excellance that Jesus would rise on the third day as He said He would and confirm His claim to have power over death and that He trully is God’s Way, God’s Truth, and God’s Life.I wonder where the verse is that tells us that Mary knew Jesus would be God.
I’m guessing you’ll tell me of the verse where Elizabeth calls her the mother of the Lord. Using the term, ‘Lord’, doesn’t mean either of them knew Jesus would be God. That term has a wider usage. Remember Israel was looking for a king. BTW, if you would use that verse, and there is no verse to tell you Mary knew He’d be God, then maybe Elizabeth fits your definition of the first Christian.
Then again, there were demons that knew who Jesus was. They aren’t Christian. Maybe there’s more to being a Christian that believing Jesus is the Christ, the Incarnate God.
I thought the OT was all about Jesus Christ including His incarnation, substitutional work for sinners, and His resurrection? Actually, we can see the partial revelation of Jesus Christ and Him crucified for sinners right after the fall in mankind (Genesis 3). It’s throughout the OT, because the OT points to the person and work of Christ. I believe the book of Job is one of the oldest OT books in the Bible. And what did Job proclaim?Actually, by a “Christian” I mean someone who believes that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. Since God became incarnate in Mary’s body with her full and free consent, it seems to me that Mary is, therefore, the first Christian.
interesting proposition 2nd. ill go with you on this just for the sake of speculation. seeing how adam and eve walked with the Lord in the cool of the day. they did know God on a level that on the physical plane before the fall that we at present cannot know. any thoughts? again this is just speculation. kinda fun to look at.I still think the first Christians were Adam and Eve… or maybe Abel?
Cain and Abel
Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard.
Dont You think where Jesus made water in to wiine Mary know something was up.I wonder where the verse is that tells us that Mary knew Jesus would be God.
I’m guessing you’ll tell me of the verse where Elizabeth calls her the mother of the Lord. Using the term, ‘Lord’, doesn’t mean either of them knew Jesus would be God. That term has a wider usage. Remember Israel was looking for a king. BTW, if you would use that verse, and there is no verse to tell you Mary knew He’d be God, then maybe Elizabeth fits your definition of the first Christian.
Then again, there were demons that knew who Jesus was. They aren’t Christian. Maybe there’s more to being a Christian that believing Jesus is the Christ, the Incarnate God.
Dont You think where Jesus made water in to wiine Mary know something was up.
PS< Dokmisa Do you have a Bible,Please get it and read the verse Lk 1:35 to me and tell it what it say
How do I spell it Dokimas is that not rightLu 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
‘Son(s) of God’ is used many times in the Bible like:
Ge 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
PS, you sure do have a problem with my nick; it’s spelled Dokimas.
Ge 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Lu 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Lu 20:36 "nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Ro 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
Ga 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Hi Dokimas,Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
‘Son(s) of God’ is used many times in the Bible like:
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So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, - Rom 11interesting proposition 2nd. ill go with you on this just for the sake of speculation. seeing how adam and eve walked with the Lord in the cool of the day. they did know God on a level that on the physical plane before the fall that we at present cannot know. any thoughts? again this is just speculation. kinda fun to look at.
Cain and Abel
Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard.
ok 2nd. i know where you are going with this. lets start another thread if you really want to go here.lol! then i can watch guaniphore tear you apart yet again. believe you me. if he cannot convince you i surley cannot. not on my best day. will answere your question if you start another thread. got one handy. dont think it will do any good tho. lol! God bless you and yours tho.So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, - Rom 11
Why was God pleased with Abel’s offering and not Cain’s offering? There is a remnant in each and every generation of redemptive history. Who was the remnant saved by grace before the world wide flood?
The Blessed Mother, second one I would say Elizabeth, cousin of Mary.I have an opinion on this matter but I’d like to hear the Catholic/Non-Catholic take one who was the first Christian?
If you can point to some scripture, it would be helpful (but not necessary).
I understand what you mean by Chrisitan but I respectfully disagree with you. In Luke 1:31-35 I see no evidence that Mary knew Jesus was God incarnated. V.31 says you will have a son and you are to name him Jesus. V.32 says He will be great and will be called the Son of God. V.35 once again says that He will be called the Son of God. I see nowhere where it states that Mary knew Jesus was God. She knew he was the Son of God but not God Himself. I also beleive that Mary was Jewish and not a Christian before Jesus and after Jesus was born. She raised Jesus in the Jewish customs, as it is evident when she and Joseph presented Jesus to God in the temple and other Jewish customs that are present in the Bible that they observed. I see nowhere in the Bible were it states that Mary knew Jesus was God. If I’m not correct please give me the book and verse in the Bible where it states that Mary knew Jesus was God and not just the Son of God. I understand your logic but I see no evidence to back your claim.Actually, by a “Christian” I mean someone who believes that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. Since God became incarnate in Mary’s body with her full and free consent, it seems to me that Mary is, therefore, the first Christian.