Who, What, When, Where, Why Your Religion?

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How many reincarnated lives are you given?
I believe one can choose to be reincarnated as many times as they choose until they have learned the important lessons of life.
I know cats are given 9 lives.
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Can you take your own life in case you are not happy with your reincarnated life knowing you will recieve another one?
A person came onto the Wiccan board I post on asking this question, as his daughter and one of her friends had killed themselves - leaving behind a note stating that they hoped to be reincarnated into a better life. The possibility of reincarnation does not give a person the right to take their life, because life is a sacred gift from our Creator (and that falls into harming oneselfs). Personally, I believe that if someone were to do this, they would be reborn into a similar situation as they would need to learn a lesson on coping with situations rather than taking the “easy way” out. Reincarnation is not an excuse for suicide.
 
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. They have revealed themselves to me through prayer and meditation. They have been with me through bad times and good. They flow throughout creation and can be seen in the beauty of nature (just to clarify: although I believe Divinity flows throughout nature, I worship the Creator, not the creation.) BUT ,you have not answered my question.How can I follow your Gods when you cannot prove thier existance. What do they look like and prove to me they exist? :confused: I dont buy into this nature philosephy. :confused:
 
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BUT ,you have not answered my question.How can I follow your Gods when you cannot prove thier existance.
I do not expect you to follow my Gods. You view the Creator as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I view the Creator as God and Goddess. What proof are you looking for.
What do they look like and prove to me they exist?
What does God look like? Sure, I’ve seen paintings of Jesus (although I do not necessarily believe they are entirely accurate). That is my point, that everyone has a different view of deity. Prove to you they exist? Now you are sounding like an athiest. I thought you already believed in God? Look in the mirror. There is proof they exist. They created you. Look at the sky, the trees, they created nature.
I dont buy into this nature philosephy.
I’m not sure what you mean by this. You do not believe that God created nature?
 
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BlessedBe13:
I do not expect you to follow my Gods. You view the Creator as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I view the Creator as God and Goddess. What proof are you looking for.
What does God look like? Sure, I’ve seen paintings of Jesus (although I do not necessarily believe they are entirely accurate). That is my point, that everyone has a different view of deity. Prove to you they exist? Now you are sounding like an athiest. I thought you already believed in God? Look in the mirror. There is proof they exist. They created you. Look at the sky, the trees, they created nature. I’m not sure what you mean by this. You do not believe that God created nature?
Why not? It sounds like a much easier way to live without consequences.Hey ,im going to summerland no matter what,so I can live in sin without any penalty.Im entering in.I like this philosiphy. I just want to make sure what you are saying is true. I need proof , talk to me.How can I be certain,Im putting my eternal soul on the line here? :confused:
 
Blessed Be wrote:
Personally, I believe . . .
I’ve been reading your posts. These words sum up your theology: “I believe it; therefore, it’s true.” 😛

Absolute, objective Truth exists – true, not because I or anyone believes it, but because it IS.

JMJ Jay
 
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Why not? It sounds like a much easier way to live without consequences.Hey ,im going to summerland no matter what,so I can live in sin without any penalty.
I’ve already explained consequences of ones actions and taking responsibility for those actions.
I just want to make sure what you are saying is true. I need proof , talk to me.How can I be certain,Im putting my eternal soul on the line here?
I believe in an all-loving Creator. When one thinks logically, an all-loving Creator would not wants its creations separated from him/her/it, even if some of those creations did not believe in him/her/it or believe in it with a certain viewpoint. An all-loving Creator would be understanding and all-forgiving.

However, let’s be honest here. No matter what I say, whether my points are valid or invalid, whether I offer reasonable “proof” or not, it doesn’t matter. You are set in your ways and are going to find some way to mock my beliefs. Questioning is one thing, mocking is another.
 
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Blessed Be wrote:
I’ve been reading your posts. These words sum up your theology: “I believe it; therefore, it’s true.”

Incorrect. I am stating what I believe. Other people state what they believe. It does not make either side correct. However, it is true for me, just as other people’s beliefs are true for them.
Absolute, objective Truth exists – true, not because I or anyone believes it, but because it IS.
That is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, no one religion has claim to that absolute truth. All religions have ideas of what they feel the truth is, but the fact is that no-one knows.
 
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BlessedBe13:
I’ve already explained consequences of ones actions and taking responsibility for those actions.
I believe in an all-loving Creator. When one thinks logically, an all-loving Creator would not wants its creations separated from him/her/it, even if some of those creations did not believe in him/her/it or believe in it with a certain viewpoint. An all-loving Creator would be understanding and all-forgiving.

However, let’s be honest here. No matter what I say, whether my points are valid or invalid, whether I offer reasonable “proof” or not, it doesn’t matter. You are set in your ways and are going to find some way to mock my beliefs. Questioning is one thing, mocking is another.
BUT,My allloving Creator is understanding and all forgiving for those who choose to accept HIM. What more love can there be than to sacrafice His only BEGOTTEN Son for Me. Love is more than just feelings or words. Love is correcting us and guiding us. You base the Love of your God on feelings,where I base the Love of my God by His sacrafice. :confused:
 
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BUT,My allloving Creator is understanding and all forgiving for those who choose to accept HIM.
And that’s where we differ in our beliefs. To me, what you are describing is conditional love, which would not be all-loving. “I love you ONLY if you worship deity as me”
Love is more than just feelings or words. Love is correcting us and guiding us.
Yes it is.
You base the Love of your God on feelings,where I base the Love of my God by His sacrafice.
Except that I don’t believe Jesus is God.
 
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BlessedBe13:
And that’s where we differ in our beliefs. To me, what you are describing is conditional love, which would not be all-loving. “I love you ONLY if you worship deity as me” Yes it is. Except that I don’t believe Jesus is God.
My Gods love is unconditional. Its my love thats conditional… If I recieve Him his love is unconditional to me. If I reject Him He still loves me unconditional. Why do you believe that Jesus is not God? :confused:
 
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My Gods love is unconditional.
If that was true then he would be understanding and forgiving to everyone, not just those who “accept” him.
Why do you believe that Jesus is not God?
Just something I never really believed. A prophet - yes, God - no. There really is no proof that he is. But what better thing to promote one’s religion than to say that it was founded by the Son of God himself? It’s just like how your’re never going to believe that my God and Goddess are real, I’m not going to believe Jesus is really God.
 
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Cubby:
What is your religion?
Why do you choose to practice a non-Catholic religion?
I’m a traditional Jew. I choose to practice a non-Catholic religion because doing so makes the most sense to me.
 
Hi all!

I voted “other”.

I’m a Jew by birth (that was 41.5 years ago) & an orthodox Jew by conviction for the past 18 years.

I moved to Israel in November 1986. That’s when I became observant , i.e. orthodox. My dual decision to come to Israel & become orthodox was very sudden. I tell people, half-jokingly, that a bolt of (Divinely-tossed) lightning fell on my head. (My family is not even remotely close to orthodox, not involved in Jewish community at all & rather assimilated.)
I got my BA from GWU in the spring of 1985. I was getting ready to go back to GWU & start working on my MA in the fall of 1985. I quickly realized that if I did that, I’d go stark raving bonkers very quickly. I needed some time off. The Dean was very cool. He gave me a leave of absence for 1 year. I was admitted, but my actual registration was deferred to the fall of 1986.

I worked at my summer job (bartending) in Ocean City, Md. until the restaurant closed for the winter at the end of October. There is nothing more therapeutically head-clearing than being in a bustling seaside resort AFTER Labor Day, when things start winding down. I am convinced that that period helped clear my head & lay the sub-conscious groundwork for my bolt-out-of-the-blue decision. (See Song of Songs 5:2, “I was asleep but my heart was awake.”)

For November & half of December, I went back to Pittsburgh & vegetated. Just before Xmas 1985, I went back to DC & crashed with friends till I found a flat (in a group apartment). I then found a job (waiting tables in Falls Church, Va) & figured that I’d work until it was time to go back to class in the fall of 1986.

Or so I thought. I went back to DC one day after Xmas. I still had friends on campus, my bank was there, etc. The corner of 21st St & Pennsylvania Ave. (now a parking lot, Grrrr…) then housed the Circle Theatre, which showed old movies. That day it was showing “Fiddler on the Roof”. I saw it once when I was a little kid (parents dragged me). I had time to spare & nothing else to do, so I bought a ticket & went in.

Near the beginning of the film, Tevye the dairyman talks about “tradition.” He said: “Because of our traditions, each one of us knows who he is and what God expects him to do.” I reeled. That hit me for such a loop; I really went flying. It was like getting hit in the head with a puck. I had never thought about it that way before. I had no clue who I was and that God a) knew I existed, b) cared, and c) actually wanted me to DO something was something utterly, utterly new to me. I was in shock. I watched the rest of the film in a semi-trance & then at the end, after the pogrom, when all the Jews have to leave the village, the old matchmaker comes up to Tevye’s wife & tells her that she is going to (the Land of) Israel. WHACK! That was puck-to-the-head #2. I went reeling again. I left the theater in quite a state. I took the Metro back home & decided then and there that I had to become orthodox (keep kosher, study scripture, keep Shabbat, pray regularly, the works, etc., etc,) and come to Israel.

My parents (whom I didn’t tell until I had occasion to go back to Pittsburgh in April 1986 for Passover) were absolutely shocked. By then, I had already registered for a special Hebrew-language school here in Israel (where I met my Cape Town-born wife) & sent in a non-refundable deposit. I worked in Falls Church until mid-September. I arrived here in early November.

I have never regretted my decision(s) and never looked back. I believe that God Himself decided that if He had to wait on me to come to Him, He’d probably still be waiting, so He decided to come to me, via the movie “Fiddler on the Roof.” (He talked to Moses from a thorn bush, didn’t He?) He called to me & I have been answering His call ever since.

What am I doing here? Beyond the fact that I’ve always been interested in other faiths (this goes back before my movie theater epiphany), I think that Roman Catholicism & orthodox Judaism (despite our rather obvious differences) have much in common. Our views on many ethical & moral issues are similar. But beyond that, ours are faiths with rules, with authority & structure & with discipline. Ours are not make-it-up-as-you-go-along faiths & never have been (I suppose Protestantism & Reform Judaism are like that); i.e. we’re not cafeteria faiths. Rather than mold the faith to fit the individual, I think that we believe that it is the individual who must mold him/herself to fit the faith. The late former Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth, Lord Immanuel Jakobovitz (of blessed memory) once said that a faith which demands nothing is worth nothing. To be an orthodox Jew demands a great deal & I have learned that to be a Roman Catholic is similarly very demanding.

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
Hi all!

I voted “other”.

I’m a Jew by birth (that was 41.5 years ago) & an orthodox Jew by conviction for the past 18 years.
I moved to Israel in November 1986. That’s when I became observant , i.e. orthodox. My dual decision to come to Israel & become orthodox was very sudden. I tell people, half-jokingly, that a bolt of (Divinely-tossed) lightning fell on my head. (My family is not even remotely close to orthodox, not involved in Jewish community at all & rather assimilated.)

I got my BA from GWU in the spring of 1985. I was getting ready to go back to GWU & start working on my MA in the fall of 1985. I quickly realized that if I did that, I’d go stark raving bonkers very quickly. I needed some time off. The Dean was very cool. He gave me a leave of absence for 1 year. I was admitted, but my actual registration was deferred to the fall of 1986.

I worked at my summer job (bartending) in Ocean City, Md. until the restaurant closed for the winter at the end of October. There is nothing more therapeutically head-clearing than being in a bustling seaside resort AFTER Labor Day, when things start winding down. I am convinced that that period helped clear my head & lay the sub-conscious groundwork for my bolt-out-of-the-blue decision. (See Song of Songs 5:2, “I was asleep but my heart was awake.”)

For November & half of December, I went back to Pittsburgh & vegetated. Just before Xmas 1985, I went back to DC & crashed with friends till I found a flat (in a group apartment). I then found a job (waiting tables in Falls Church, Va) & figured that I’d work until it was time to go back to class in the fall of 1986.

Or so I thought. I went back to DC one day after Xmas. I still had friends on campus, my bank was there, etc. The corner of 21st St & Pennsylvania Ave. (now a parking lot, Grrrr…) then housed the Circle Theatre, which showed old movies. That day it was showing “Fiddler on the Roof”. I saw it once when I was a little kid (parents dragged me). I had time to spare & nothing else to do, so I bought a ticket & went in.

Near the beginning of the film, Tevye the dairyman talks about “tradition.” He said: “Because of our traditions, each one of us knows who he is and what God expects him to do.” I reeled. That hit me for such a loop; I really went flying. It was like getting hit in the head with a puck. I had never thought about it that way before. I had no clue who I was and that God a) knew I existed, b) cared, and c) actually wanted me to DO something was something utterly, utterly new to me. I was in shock. I watched the rest of the film in a semi-trance & then at the end, after the pogrom, when all the Jews have to leave the village, the old matchmaker comes up to Tevye’s wife & tells her that she is going to (the Land of) Israel. WHACK! That was puck-to-the-head #2. I went reeling again. I left the theater in quite a state. I took the Metro back home & decided then and there that I had to become orthodox (keep kosher, study scripture, keep Shabbat, pray regularly, the works, etc., etc,) and come to Israel.

My parents (whom I didn’t tell until I had occasion to go back to Pittsburgh in April 1986 for Passover) were absolutely shocked. By then, I had already registered for a special Hebrew-language school here in Israel (where I met my Cape Town-born wife) & sent in a non-refundable deposit. I worked in Falls Church until mid-September. I arrived here in early November.

I have never regretted my decision(s) and never looked back. I believe that God Himself decided that if He had to wait on me to come to Him, He’d probably still be waiting, so He decided to come to me, via the movie “Fiddler on the Roof.” (He talked to Moses from a thorn bush, didn’t He?) He called to me & I have been answering His call ever since.

What am I doing here? Beyond the fact that I’ve always been interested in other faiths (this goes back before my movie theater epiphany), I think that Roman Catholicism & orthodox Judaism (despite our rather obvious differences) have much in common. Our views on many ethical & moral issues are similar. But beyond that, ours are faiths with rules, with authority & structure & with discipline. Ours are not make-it-up-as-you-go-along faiths & never have been (I suppose Protestantism & Reform Judaism are like that); i.e. we’re not cafeteria faiths. Rather than mold the faith to fit the individual, I think that we believe that it is the individual who must mold him/herself to fit the faith. The late former Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth, Lord Immanuel Jakobovitz (of blessed memory) once said that a faith which demands nothing is worth nothing. To be an orthodox Jew demands a great deal & I have learned that to be a Roman Catholic is similarly very demanding.

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
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BlessedBe13:
If that was true then he would be understanding and forgiving to everyone, not just those who “accept” him. Just something I never really believed. A prophet - yes, God - no. There really is no proof that he is. But what better thing to promote one’s religion than to say that it was founded by the Son of God himself? It’s just like how your’re never going to believe that my God and Goddess are real, I’m not going to believe Jesus is really God.
Why is it that you do not believe Jesus is God and yet you believe in your god and godess? Explain why you belive this? What is the evidence? :confused: .
 
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Why is it that you do not believe Jesus is God and yet you believe in your god and godess? Explain why you belive this? What is the evidence? .
Quite simply, faith. That is the only real “evidence” for any belief in God. I put a lot of prayer and thought into developing my beliefs and these are the ones that make the most sense to me. And, as I have said before, God and Goddess were revealed to me through my prayers.
 
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BlessedBe13:
Quite simply, faith. That is the only real “evidence” for any belief in God. I put a lot of prayer and thought into developing my beliefs and these are the ones that make the most sense to me. And, as I have said before, God and Goddess were revealed to me through my prayers.
What is Faith? I have History on my side That Jesus is Lord.There is proof by what was recorded and written.Do you have as much. How do you know this is the true god and godess? What evidence and proof do you have? :confused: Please stop going in circles with me. :confused:
 
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BlessedBe13:
Incorrect. I am stating what I believe. Other people state what they believe. It does not make either side correct. However, it is true for me, just as other people’s beliefs are true for them.
That is relativism, my dear.
That is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, no one religion has claim to that absolute truth.
Wrong. Catholicism does, indeed, claim to teach the absolute Truth and I, a former atheist, absolutely believe it.
All religions have ideas of what they feel the truth is, but the fact is that no-one knows.
Why would I waste my time “believing” a “truth” that may not be – and probably isn’t – "true’? :whacky:

Read C.S. Lewis’s Mere Christianity sometime. Lewis (a former atheist) was very near to becoming a Catholic when he died. His logic is beautiful.

Peace be with you, JMJ Jay
 
BlessedBe13 – I have been reading over your posts and I am curious about some things that you have posted, but have not been addressed.(at least I have not seen them)

*You say that you believe there is a possibility of reincarnation so I pose this questions: *
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  If a person is reincarnated or chooses to be reincarnated, how does he/she know in his/her reincarnated state, what lessons he/she needs to learn?  At what age will that person know he/she has been reincarnated and what where the mistakes that he/she made in the previous life that he/she chose to be reincarnated?
  • When a person chooses to be reincarnated, can he/she choose the womb that will carry him/her? Or is it just a hit and miss situation? When is the decision to be reincarnated made?
  • How will they know that they have reached the point that they have learned the necessary lessons? When does this reincarnation process end? I know you said that until they learn certain lessons in life, but how does he/she know for sure the lesson has been learned and by what standards does he/she judge that they are now ready for Summerland?
  • Since you say that all people regardless of what type of life they have lived, eventually go to this place you call Summerland, then what is the point of trying to “learn certain lesson in life”?
  • We Christians believe that God’s love is unconditional. He loves us so much that He gives us a free will to love Him or reject Him. That is, He does not send us to Hell. People are free to go there and God lovingly lets us do, as we desire. You believe that all will be united with the divinity in the afterlife. Where will that be? Here on earth or someplace else? But what if we do not want to be with this divinity? Will that divinity force us to be with him/her? Where do we go?
  • You are still not clear as to what are the consequences for a bad life. You said “If you lie to someone, it can be very harmful and will come back to you in the end.” What type of consequence is that? What end is that, and what does it matter if we still end up in Summerland?

    May our Lord Jesus Bless you. I am in daily prayer for you.
 
BlessedBe 13
One more question and I do not ask it in a mocking way but serious way. You said
And, as I have said before, God and Goddess were revealed to me through my prayers.
Who were you praying to?

With the Love of Jesus and Mary,
 
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