Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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objective truth is not opinion.

either murder is objectively wrong or it is not
 
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fedup19 said:
objective truth is not opinion.

either murder is objectively wrong or it is not
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Yes, it is. But in this context, this point is classic begging the question. Voting is not murder.
 
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voting for pro abortion candidates is voting for murder. Why is that so complicated?

and saying that abortion never goes away or whatever is NOT an answer. You just don’t vote for abortion-promoting candidates and then turn around and call yourself a Christian. Well, you CAN but I don’t think that flies w/ Jesus… esp in the End
 
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fedup19 said:
voting for pro abortion candidates is voting for murder. Why is that so complicated?

and saying that abortion never goes away or whatever is NOT an answer. You just don’t vote for abortion-promoting candidates and then turn around and call yourself a Christian. Well, you CAN but I don’t think that flies w/ Jesus… esp in the End
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Abortion happens because of sex outside marital bonds. In my opinion (much like you are stating an opinion), you shouldn’t vote for adulterous candidates because that gives a notion that sex outside of marriage is okay and it results in many abortions. If fact, I don’t think you can really vote for a candidate that has committed adultery and call yourself a Christian. Well, you CAN but I don’t think that flies w/Jesus.
 
You don’t think abortion happens within the marital bond? It does
 
Well that’s not what you stated originally.At any rate that’s pretty presumptuous to imply that Trump has been involved in abortions.If we are

lectured on not to judge Joe Biden’s soul when he openly espouses support for abortion then why is it ok to assume DT has partaken in any? 🤨
 
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Jeanne_S said:
Well that’s not what you stated originally.At any rate that’s pretty presumptuous to imply that Trump has been involved in abortions.If we are

lectured on not to judge Joe Biden’s soul when he openly espouses support for abortion then why is it ok to assume DT has partaken in any? 🤨
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Given that Donald Trump does not use ‘protection’ according to some and called avoiding VD his personal Viet Nam during the 70s, then I think it is very possible that he created a pregnancy outside of marriage. Even if he didn’t by luck, it is precisely that behavior that results in abortions. If we are truly pro-life, then we should condemn this instead of supporting a man that may have very well put women in situations where they sought abortions.
 
So the litmus s test moving forward is that all candidates take a lie detector test verifying they have lived a virtuous life? That would preclude pretty much all of them at least if past presidents are a gauge.
 
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Have you even read the Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship? It, that is the Catholic Church, disagrees with you, . Why? Because Catholic theology is grounded in reason and logic, as well as revelation and faith. Abortion is never on the ballot. Voting is not murder. I will listen to what the Church teaches.

You do not get to define Christianity, and it is Jesus that judges, not any human being. For you see, the idea behind forming the conscience is about forming one’s own moral conscience and following that, not this pushing of one’s own conclusion onto others and claiming they are Christian because they do not align with your politics.

Abortion is the single greatest issue in the United States, but it is not the only issue, nor is legislating it the only avenue to fight it.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
So the litmus s test moving forward is that all candidates take a lie detector test verifying they have lived a virtuous life? That would preclude pretty much all of them at least if past presidents are a gauge.
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I don’t need a lie detector test to determine if Trump has lived a virtuous life. I am pro-life and against glorifying sexual relations outside of marriage when I know it results in many abortions.
 
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farronwolf said:
He has gotten an entire portion of the population to simply accept lies for the truth, or that telling lies is acceptable, bullying is ok…
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LOL! This has been going on for a long time, it’s just the previous people who were doing this did with long Latinate euphemisms in soft, cultured tones.
 
Jeanne_S said:
I assume you never voted for Clinton either,right.?
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whataboutism
Annie said:
LOL! This has been going on for a long time,
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whataboutism

But as @drcube said, he felt Clinton too should have been removed from office. I, as well, think he should have resigned over his illicit affair with an intern, as should have happened in any business. The Democrats are complicit in instituting sexual harassment by supporting Clinton. Those that have since decried sexual abuse, but supported Bill Clinton, are hypocrites of the highest order. The same is true of Republicans that wanted Clinton removed from office for his affair, but think one worse than President Clinton should be re-elected.

The point is, whataboutism does not work on people who actual oppose something, like adultery, promiscuity, and sexual harassment, and don’t just use it as a political lever.
 
pnewton said:
whataboutism
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I don’t think it’s whatboutism. It’s more like telling people that they are against something in someone that has been going on for a long time, just in honeyed tones so people did not notice.
 
Annie said:
I don’t think it’s whatboutism. It’s more like telling people that they are against something in someone that has been going on for a long time, just in honeyed tones so people did not notice.
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Always been against adultery, so it may be going on for a long time, but it’s still an evil that results in many abortions and I will not support a political candidate that is an adulterer.
 
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