Mark121359
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So under Obama we were improving??? Hilarious!!!
Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?
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drcube
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The economy certainly was improving from 2010 to 2016.
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PetraG
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Well, the numbers that people use to say Trump is doing a great job were improving during the Obama Administration, yes. (See above.)
We all do remember what the economy was doing when Obama took office, right? All those mortgages under water? People losing their homes? I’d say it is pretty difficult to say that (a) the economy did not improve or that (b) it could not have gotten far worse before it got better. Nobody was saying the economy had bottomed out and was turning around when he took office. I actually remember feeling kind of sorry for him, because it looked as if it might keep getting a lot worse no matter what he did. When Trump took office, in contrast, the numbers that he likes to use to show how great he is had been improving for years.
I am not saying that Barack Obama was personally the savior of the US economy. I’m saying that it is very difficult to say that Obama wasn’t but Trump is. I do not know what kind of mental gymnastics one has to do in order to get to that conclusion. I know Trump can do them, though, because he was claiming credit for every uptick even before he took the oath of office. His name is apparently magic, or something. He is a salesman, I’ll give him that. The obvious fact that he can sell people on how great he is, well, that is no proof that he is actually a good President, let alone a great one. I have learned that when Trump speaks, every single word requires verification. He has no qualms about making stuff up.
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dvdjs
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If the economic data has eluded you, look a bit above on this thread to find some.
Similar data on the Dow, GDP, jobs, etc. have been posted on other threads as well and are not hard to find on the internet. They all tell the dsame story: after the recession that began at the end of of W’s administration bottomed out, there has been a steady recovery that has continued throughout the Obama years into the Trump yeers, although there are signs of faltering in Trump’s year three.
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PetraG
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OK, well, I think it is obvious that Donald Trump would have to be losing in my home state to Old Scratch Himself before I’d consider voting for him. I don’t see that happening. He also seems to have successfully eliminated the chance that he will be challenged in the Republican primaries. I also don’t see the Democrats nominating an acceptable candidate, because a pro-life candidate has essentially no chance of winning their nomination.
That leaves me to once again decide between a third party candidate and writing somebody in. I don’t see how it can be helped.
To those who support Donald Trump and have never directly given him the message, “Mr. President. that was false, shame on you, stop doing that or lose my support”: please let’s not hear how awful it was that anybody else in politics lies. Do not talk about “draining the swamp” or any nonsense like that. You are making it very clear to those running for public office that integrity is not a high priority for you, let alone a non-negotiable matter. If you defend the President as the best choice for Catholic voters by saying that the ends are justifying whatever means it takes, be very sure that will become the standard.
That leaves me to once again decide between a third party candidate and writing somebody in. I don’t see how it can be helped.
To those who support Donald Trump and have never directly given him the message, “Mr. President. that was false, shame on you, stop doing that or lose my support”: please let’s not hear how awful it was that anybody else in politics lies. Do not talk about “draining the swamp” or any nonsense like that. You are making it very clear to those running for public office that integrity is not a high priority for you, let alone a non-negotiable matter. If you defend the President as the best choice for Catholic voters by saying that the ends are justifying whatever means it takes, be very sure that will become the standard.
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Jeanne_S
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Did you listen to today’s Gospel.:face_with_raised_eyebrow:Nuff said
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Maximus1
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Thank you Petra. I would have started with S hole countries. Or calling people INFESTATION forward. The problem is there is so much proof.
You could go back to the wave of people picking sides against Pope Francis when he made the statement Walls are not consistent with the Gospel.
All of a sudden he was," outside his expertise." And of course unnecessary cruelty to kids including very young ones
Appreciate a very good post. One comment. It could never," become the standard." It would abandon standards I think
You could go back to the wave of people picking sides against Pope Francis when he made the statement Walls are not consistent with the Gospel.
All of a sudden he was," outside his expertise." And of course unnecessary cruelty to kids including very young ones
Appreciate a very good post. One comment. It could never," become the standard." It would abandon standards I think
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Maximus1
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Truth is, a person who says he never did anything where he needs God’s forgiveness,( so he never asked God for forgiveness in his life) tearing through 3 wives and many others, I am sorry for your jaw.
Catholic?
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Maximus1
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Of course! And here is another shocker. Impeachment is coming
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drcube
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How do you figure today’s Gospel applies to the discussion here?
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PetraG
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“Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wronged any man of any thing, I restore him fourfold…” Luke 19:8
Clearly a reference to the President.
For they that will become rich, fall into temptation, and into the snare of the devil, and into many unprofitable and hurtful desires, which drown men into destruction and perdition. For the desire of money is the root of all evils; which some coveting have erred from the faith, and have entangled themselves in many sorrows. 1 Tim 6:9-10
“I like money. I’m very greedy. I’m a greedy person. I shouldn’t tell you that, I’m a greedy – I’ve always been greedy. I love money, right?" Donald Trump, Jan 2016
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PetraG
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I have no idea what he does in private or what he wrestles with when he’s not putting on a show. I do believe in the principle that you never know what someone is hiding in their hearts. In public, he has clearly run roughshod over moral law with regards to telling the truth and the sanctity of marriage.
My jaw isn’t dropping over Donald Trump. I don’t know what he’d have to do that would even surprise me, other than apologizing in public. No, he doesn’t act like a Christian in public. We all need to hope for mercy, though.
No, my jaw hit the floor over the boast that a vote for Trump is in any way connected with a Catholic’s boast about being one of those who will “make Catholicism Great Again.”
There is so much wrong with that statement, I do not even know where to start.
Impeachment is political and never more political than it is right now.
Mr. Trump infamously said at a rally in front of his adoring supporters: “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, ok? It’s, like, incredible.” Did he lose any votes for saying that? I have no evidence that he did.
What are the chances that he is going to lose support for spurning the Constitution? There isn’t any. There are even supporters saying openly that they’d love him to use US foreign aid as leverage to get dirt on Trump’s opponent. That’s the kind of thing that makes my jaw drop. If he doesn’t have absolute carte blanche with his supporters, including Catholics defending him right here, I have no evidence of it.
If someone here who supports Donald Trump could explain in what way the President does not enjoy carte blanche, I’d love to hear it. Please give an example. As it is, I think they’d see an impeachment as some kind of a coup, no matter what evidence is presented against the President! I would rather Congress not plunge us into the middle of that. Yes, it is politics and it is unfortunate, but I think it would be sufficient for Congress to find the evidence, issue a reprimand, and formally turn over the possibility of the more severe verdict of removal to the voters.
Nixon, in contrast, still had about 25% of his supporters when he resigned. Resigning, however, is something I don’t believe Donald Trump would ever do.
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PetraG
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Oh, wait–I had no idea you meant that he literally said that.
“I am not sure I have,” Trump said when asked if he’d ever asked God for forgiveness. “I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”
www.businessinsider.com
That was a 2015 interview.
“Thou shalt not molest a stranger, for you know the hearts of strangers: for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt.” Ex. 26: 9
What Catholics do not appreciate the reality of being opposed and oppressed as immigrants merely for being Catholic? Can we forget our own history so soon? Could any of our immigrant ancestors have come up with proof of income sufficient to pay for something as expensive as health insurance for themselves and their familes within 30 days of when they arrived here? Which of us could say that? If we could, our family was fortunate, indeed, among those who have come here looking for a better life.
This President appointed justices that Hillary Clinton would never have appointed. I get that. Our nation deserves to have control over her sovereign borders, to know who is here. I get that. What I don’t think that some people here get is that immigrating legally is already a practical impossibility for many and is only being made more difficult by this President. He is not giving a route for poor people willing to work hard to come here legally. He’s implementing policies that will prevent that from happening. He’s making it impossible. He said he’d build a wall with a beautiful door, but his policies only have a door for the “beautiful” people who already had achieved success before coming here. His policies are not about what we can offer the stranger. His policies are all about what strangers can offer us. That excludes the least ones, the ones that the most blunt commands of Christ require us to welcome.
“I am not sure I have,” Trump said when asked if he’d ever asked God for forgiveness. “I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”
Trump on God: 'I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness'
"I have great relationship with God. I have great relationship with the Evangelicals."
www.businessinsider.com
That was a 2015 interview.
“Thou shalt not molest a stranger, for you know the hearts of strangers: for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt.” Ex. 26: 9
What Catholics do not appreciate the reality of being opposed and oppressed as immigrants merely for being Catholic? Can we forget our own history so soon? Could any of our immigrant ancestors have come up with proof of income sufficient to pay for something as expensive as health insurance for themselves and their familes within 30 days of when they arrived here? Which of us could say that? If we could, our family was fortunate, indeed, among those who have come here looking for a better life.
This President appointed justices that Hillary Clinton would never have appointed. I get that. Our nation deserves to have control over her sovereign borders, to know who is here. I get that. What I don’t think that some people here get is that immigrating legally is already a practical impossibility for many and is only being made more difficult by this President. He is not giving a route for poor people willing to work hard to come here legally. He’s implementing policies that will prevent that from happening. He’s making it impossible. He said he’d build a wall with a beautiful door, but his policies only have a door for the “beautiful” people who already had achieved success before coming here. His policies are not about what we can offer the stranger. His policies are all about what strangers can offer us. That excludes the least ones, the ones that the most blunt commands of Christ require us to welcome.
LeafByNiggle
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I could not help but notice that your humorous response had absolutely nothing of substance to say. The not so humorous data already presented do show that the trajectory of the economy was exactly the same under Obama as under Trump. So it was a truthful observation that Trump did not screw up that trajectory, but kept it going exactly as it was going.drcube:
Now that’s a hoot!!! I tell you with all honesty, thank God I park my cellphone while behind the wheel. If I were to read that while driving, I’d drive my car right off the road from laughing so darn hard. The tears would cloud my vision!!! Good one drcube!
If your comments were meant as a troll, then I have been guilty of feeding the troll. But I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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PetraG
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It is really hard to do satire nowadays, isn’t it?
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dvdjs
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Please consider avoiding accusing other posters of sin.
Mark121359
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Huh??? Where do you see that accusation in my posts??? What I do see in that post is me being accused of being a troll! Which I don’t appreciate. Or did you miss that?
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dvdjs
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You accused people of hatred. Do you not consider hatred to be a sin?
I did not see a post accusing you of that.
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Mark121359
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Yes. And I believe many would agree with that assessment! It really should stop! And I’m not pointing any fingers at anyone in particular. Just look at some of the threads of late.
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dvdjs
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Then why did you ask?
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