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Felicia1
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There’s only one candidate who endorses socialism and even he is more of a socdem than a demsoc.
Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?
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PetraG
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I can blame him for exploiting that, but I won’t blame him for creating that belief.
To be fair to those who think the press is against them, I can say that it is impossible to deny that the journalists are getting to be as divided as the nation is. It seems almost impossible for them to report in an unbiased way. I think it is because publishers target their buyers and produce what the buyers of news want, which is bias-confirming news, but you even see it on public stations. It is hard to get a job as a journalist; I guess you are the kind who will deliver what sells or else you find another line of work? No matter who you read, you almost have to get both sides and then check primary sources.
What really amazes me, though, is that the President gets away with calling other sources fake. Honestly, he obviously exaggerates and even makes up stuff out of whole cloth. That, and comments like the one where he bragged that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose support. He says this to his supporters, and they love this? Why is that not insulting? I’d find it insulting. I don’t get it.
As for the Deep State thing, I really don’t get that, either. We have a lot of bureaucracies, true, but the integrity of our military and our public servants is extremely high. We probably have the most consciencious public servants in the world, and they grit their teeth and do their jobs through Administration after Administration. I don’t know–maybe people don’t like that the meteorologists at NOAA obviously think there is evidence for global warming? That the scientists for the government do not believe that vaccines cause autism? I don’t know where the deep level of suspicion comes from.
As for Trump’s understanding of forgiveness, I think it is pretty clear he hasn’t spent much (if any) time on religious catechesis. Maybe he thinks he was born knowing it, like science. I can’t say. If my parents had left me that uneducated and put the pressures on me that his dad put on him? I can’t say what I would be like. It cannot be pleasant to go through life feeling the need to impress everybody in every single room you walk into. Raising a kid to need that is pretty much child abuse, really.
I guess I’m just bummed that no other conservative is going to have any chance to run for President. That essentially guarantees that I’ll have to write somebody in again.
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PetraG
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Why can’t we accept that maybe neither major party is offering a Catholic choice?
As long as it is one or the other, they can just keep throwing us bones and forcing us to choose.
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fedup19
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WHAT?
Kasich is NOT pro life!
Kasich is NOT pro life!
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fedup19
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maybe neither party is offering a Catholic choice?
i can’t believe this.
Trump is pro life, he puts America first over the globalist Democrats who support abortion-on-demand.
What the heck do you want? someone who walks on water??
i can’t believe this.
Trump is pro life, he puts America first over the globalist Democrats who support abortion-on-demand.
What the heck do you want? someone who walks on water??
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PetraG
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I’m sorry I misread your quote; I hope you can see how I made the mistake. You did not seem to be addressing that poster only. You seemed to be addressing those you referred to as “Trump haters” generally. I let that term set me off, and I should not have done that. (That and “Trump derangement syndrome” both set my teeth on edge, because so often they are thrown out when someone is only asking why he is allowed to get away with what he gets away with.)
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PetraG
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Well, one is advancing the idea that morality requires offering women not support as mothers but a way to end the lives of their unborn children. The other is offering Donald Trump and only Donald Trump, even though his mendacity is extreme.
I’m sorry, but I know who the Father of Lies is. I understand that there are big issues at play, but I cannot and will not cast a vote for Donald Trump. I think it is a vote that tells politicians that the ends will always justify every means with their voters. That is NOT a Christian value.
Again, though, I do get how a Christian can come to a different conclusion than I have. Please understand how I have reached mine, though, and refrain from coming to the rash conclusion that I don’t really have Christian values.
(As for “letting the name calling begin,” if “CROOKED globalist baby killing” isn’t name-calling, I would hate to see what qualifies.)
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1cthlctrth
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Can anyone name ONE prominent pro-life Democrat other than Illinois’ Dan Lipinski (of the House of Representatives)?
This is why voting tomorrow is important for lower-level offices, even though it is an odd year. They will be your future leaders.
This is why voting tomorrow is important for lower-level offices, even though it is an odd year. They will be your future leaders.
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fedup19
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i never said i wasn’t name calling. I said that y’all would begin name-calling me just bc i said that when people say this kind of thing my 1st thought is they have no real christian values and i stand by that.
If you put something like “poor word choice” by Trump
over the innocent lives of unborn children
you are not a follower of Christ…
have we forgotten “Thou shalt not kill”
and of course the Catholic Church goes beyond any other Christian “church” in saying that ALL human life falls under that Commanmdnet no matter the age.
If you put something like “poor word choice” by Trump
over the innocent lives of unborn children
you are not a follower of Christ…
have we forgotten “Thou shalt not kill”
and of course the Catholic Church goes beyond any other Christian “church” in saying that ALL human life falls under that Commanmdnet no matter the age.
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PetraG
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No, I think I said I know who the Father of Lies is. That is a very different matter than objecting to his propensity to use a poor choice of words. He also does that, but I could probably look past that.
I’m not going to call you names just because you feel free to call me names, and I’m not going to question whether or not you’re a Christian just because you feel free to do so with me.
I will say that the Pope said, “A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not the gospel.” Where are the bridges?
So, you see, it is possible that neither side is giving a choice compatible with the Catholic faith. Of course it is. Actually, it is even possible that they are very cynically wedding what is important to Catholics to things that a Catholic cannot accept and accusing us of not being willing to compromise when we won’t accept it. What could be more indicative of a political process under the domination of Old Scratch?
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1cthlctrth
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Leaf said: Hard to believe, given that wealth inequality is higher now than at any time since the 1920s. Sure, the poor are doing better than they were 50 years ago (much of that gain coming under Obama), but the rich are doing exponentially better.
My reply:
By the way, California, which is the most leftist state, is the state with the largest income inequality.
Leaf said:
Hard to believe when Trump policies make it harder and harder for minorities to vote.
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How so?
By the way, Trump is a man of ACTION, not patronizing rhetoric:
Leaf said: Mexican drug cartels (the latest boggy man to scare voters).
My reply:
Over 99 percent of all marijuana and methamphetamine seized at U.S. borders has come from Mexico, a colossal cache of 8.2 million pounds since 2012 and a demonstration of the efforts by drug cartels to feed America’s habit, one that is leading to increasing deaths, according to a new report.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection seizure figures show that in 2015, 99.8 percent of methamphetamine and 99.9 percent of marijuana seized in the U.S. came from the southern border. Another 61 percent of cocaine seizures were on the West Coast, mostly California, suggesting that Colombian drug cartels are looking for a new route in, according to a new report.
However, it reveals that the Border Patrol has seen tremendous successes in sniffing out drugs.
“Since 2012, the number of traffickers apprehended at U.S. borders has steadily increased from 364,768 to nearly 500,000 in 2014,” said the report. Drug amounts seized at the border from 2012 to 2015 include:
— 8.2 million lbs. of marijuana.
— 32,600 lbs. of cocaine.
— 34,000 ounces of heroin.
— 17,600 lbs. of methamphetamine
My reply:
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By the way, California, which is the most leftist state, is the state with the largest income inequality.
Leaf said:
Hard to believe when Trump policies make it harder and harder for minorities to vote.
My reply:
How so?
By the way, Trump is a man of ACTION, not patronizing rhetoric:
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Leaf said: Mexican drug cartels (the latest boggy man to scare voters).
My reply:
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Over 99 percent of all marijuana and methamphetamine seized at U.S. borders has come from Mexico, a colossal cache of 8.2 million pounds since 2012 and a demonstration of the efforts by drug cartels to feed America’s habit, one that is leading to increasing deaths, according to a new report.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection seizure figures show that in 2015, 99.8 percent of methamphetamine and 99.9 percent of marijuana seized in the U.S. came from the southern border. Another 61 percent of cocaine seizures were on the West Coast, mostly California, suggesting that Colombian drug cartels are looking for a new route in, according to a new report.
However, it reveals that the Border Patrol has seen tremendous successes in sniffing out drugs.
“Since 2012, the number of traffickers apprehended at U.S. borders has steadily increased from 364,768 to nearly 500,000 in 2014,” said the report. Drug amounts seized at the border from 2012 to 2015 include:
— 8.2 million lbs. of marijuana.
— 32,600 lbs. of cocaine.
— 34,000 ounces of heroin.
— 17,600 lbs. of methamphetamine
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It’s not a problem PetraG! Take care. 
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Maximus1
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At this point, the press will no longer be accessories. But I think what you observe includes a very human dimension. How many times can you attack people at the core of who they are, without animosity?
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PetraG
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Well, it helps to recognize that in the big picture, the worst things we have ever done or said are not the core of who we are. That’s not what we’re intended to be. That is not how Our Creator sees us. I think Our Creator sees the saint we were each intended to be, and wants to remove every last thing that interferes. Having someone suggest we need to let go of things we’re attached to can feel like being attacked at our core, but if we could look at our lives from the vantage point of our best self, we wouldn’t see it that way. Certainly a parent doesn’t look at a developing child that way, right?
Well, if that is true of people in general, then why not the President? It really drives me nuts to hear him say things that are nasty or false, especially gaslighting statements that bluntly ridicule the actual demonstrable facts, it drives me crazy to hear him talk as if he really believes that he understands science or foreign policy or anything else a President needs to understand without ever learning the facts, I cannot see to cooperate putting him in a position of trust when that is such a habit with him, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t possibly be something very different, when his core shows what he was made to be.
Let’s be clear: Rejecting Donald Trump as a candidate for President of the United States based on his current behavior and his current stated intentions has nothing to do with what he’s going to be in the long run. Those are two different things. The first I have a duty as a voter to try to judge; the second, I am forbidden from judging simply because I don’t have either the knolwedge or authority to do it.
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Maximus1
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I appreciate your post. My point was about a reaction people can expect others to have when their professional legitimacy is assaulted to their core. This reaction can be expected to grow in intensity when the legitimacy is their life work
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PetraG
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Exactly. I think the same is true about people’s political positions. Our public discourse isn’t about “policy” any more. There is this feeling that there is a fight over whether we’re going to be civilized or not–that is, each side considers the policies they want as necessary for civilization and the policies of the other side as destructive of that end. The main problem I see is that if one were to look at the writings of Pope St. John Paul II, for instance, neither of the major political parties is conforming themselves. It is a choice between two poor alternatives, but yet the two are each defended as if they represented the fullness of Christian thought.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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Murder and rape have been around forever, but I don’t see anyone lobbying to remove their pointless prohibitions.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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So who ARE you planning on voting for? FOlks talk in theory and vagaries far too often in these topics. Just name the person most likely so the discussion is about tangibles.
farronwolf
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I have not decided yet. It will not be Trump, that is for certain.
My hope currently is that Trump will be impeached and a reasonable candidate (preferably someone like Kasich) would come in. If that doesn’t happen, it will be whomever is running against Trump.
I have issues with pretty much all the D candidates at this time, although I do like some of their ideas. Mayor Pete is actually a sensible fellow, Warren would take on the big money which corrupts our political system, but has too many big dollar funding issues on her plans.
My main concern is that we get someone elected who is willing to work across party lines to move the country forward. For they last couple of decades that has ceased to happen and we get what we have now, of pure partisan politics which benefit no one.
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