Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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Aquinas11 said:
No, the point is that with the tax cut the person is more likely to perform individual charity (compared to no tax cut)
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It’s generally believed, and without a whole lot of proof, that tax policies do affect charitable giving as a general principle. That’s why, for example, charitable donations are generally deductible.
 
Ridgerunner said:
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Aquinas11:
No, the point is that with the tax cut the person is more likely to perform individual charity (compared to no tax cut)
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It’s generally believed, and without a whole lot of proof, that tax policies do affect charitable giving as a general principle. That’s why, for example, charitable donations are generally deductible.
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Oh, yes. Tax policies like that obviously affect charitable giving because the only way to take advantage of that policy is to make a charitable donation. But Aquinas11 was talking about tax cuts in general - not tax cuts for people who donate to charities, but tax cuts with no strings attached. The effect of those tax policies on charitable giving is negligible.
 
Lowest unemployment rates for minorities.

Giving out a lot of foreign aid actually, to help refugees.

And the pro-life issue.

Being a Christian and a Catholic tells us to forgive. Trump’s wrongs seem very pale to what other politicians support plus, don’t most of the Democrats support BDS? Some say that is for being for the destruction of Israel. Pretty easy decision really.
redal said:
Absolutely untrue…Trump is the polar opposite of the most fundamental Gospel/Catholic teaching of Matthew 25: 31-46. Even a pro-life stance is NOT a free pass for trampling on the Lord’s warning on the judgment of nations…so, not sure who I will vote for, but Trump will not be on any short list I may have.
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LeafByNiggle said:
In other words, those who think tax cuts increase charitable giving have no proof. Fair enough.
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I never said they did; only that tax policies can affect giving. You’re the one who was insistent that tax cuts do not increase charitable giving. But no proof.
 
Aquinas11 said:
Question is what is in line with Matthew 25:31-46
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It’s not relevant, your verse is talking about individuals and their actions, not govt policy.

I know I give effort to help those around me in need.
 
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How about, “I was sick, and you told me I needed to take individual responsibility.”

So yes, I will vote based on the actual teaching of Jesus which, for me, will exclude the current presidential incumbent.
 
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How about "I was sick with a terminal illness and needed a moderate amount of palliative care, but the government would only pay for a short period of hospice care, so they poisoned me with opioids my liver could not handle so I go into a drug-induced coma and would die within the time frame allotted for funding.

There’s really no certainty that turning one’s medical care over to the government is a good thing.

And if you don’t think the above situation happens, you don’t know much about hospice care. And what party prevails in the states in which “assisted” euthanasia is allowed? Which party opposes “Infants born alive” laws?

It’s a lot easier to be righteous politically, than it is to be right.
 
farronwolf said:
I skipped the President vote on the ballot last time because neither was fit for office, and went on to the next portion of the ballot and voted for a candidate in every other race.

I can not support a person who lies, cheats, steals, bullies, sows division, and is in general a person of bad character and not a christian. There is nothing about Trump that I respect.
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When both candidates are poor choices, this could be a reasonable position.

As Christians, we are supposed to be respectful even if we consider their behavior morally objectionable. There’s a big legal difference between someone that steals and someone that uses the bankruptcy laws to avoid meeting the terms of a contract. Trump did not take advantage of unsophisticated people, he took advantage of people who knew the risks they were assuming and he took advantage of it for every penny that was available. Every penny he could avoid paying, he did.

I agree that he’s a salesperson and thus uses BS (what you refer to as lying). I agree that he bullies. I don’t agree that he divides - the media (both liberal and conservative media) does a great job of dividing and disrespect. Shrewdness doesn’t automatically make someone a bad character - context is important. And he could be a Christian whom struggles to lead an honest, ethical life free of bullying or telling the whole unexaggerated truth free of BS.
farronwolf said:
I don’t believe he is pro life, conservative, or any of the things he claims to be. He didn’t make a sudden personal change a few years ago from a lifelong history of being the polar opposite of what he claims now.
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This is the strongest part of your argument. I agree he’s not a conservative, but he’s also not as liberal as the Democrats whom aren’t putting up ASP and blue-dogs; they’re putting up those that believe in wealth and income redistribution and abortion on demand.
farronwolf said:
Based on the number of people he brought to Washington with him who are now in jail or have indictments against them, or are tied to people being investigated now, based on the number of career people who have worked for him for a short time and basically threw up their hands at the dysfunction in the administration of our country, based on the number of truly conservative, long time members of the republican party who have left the party in the past 2-3 years, there is no possible way I could support him this time around either.
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I disagree with this part of your argument. While you might see the people he’s associated with going to prison, there’s a huge problem in Washington with corruptness. Many of the members of the Mueller prosecutor team made donations to the Clintons. Almost everyone on the jury that convicted these men likely voted Democrat, thus they didn’t really have a jury of their peers. Because money changes hands in Washington, there’s a lot that gets overlooked.
 
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Fauken said:
That’s not a bad idea… I may have to consider not voting for anyone outside of the American Solidarity Party.
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Agreed. They have many good values. I think a conservative ASP candidate would be a great choice - aka someone that believes in a flat tax but also believes in people being charitable with one another and a safety net built into the flat income or sales tax system.
 
pnewton said:
I noticed that this week Christianity Today had a different take on President Trump, thinking him morally unfit. I believe this may be the first evangelical voice I have heard point out what I thought to be quite obvious.
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A letter signed by 200 influential evangelicals was sent to CT objecting to Galli’s editorial. Many of the signatures on that letter are from rock-solid Evangelical Protestants that I have followed for decades and have always found reasonable and trustworthy (e.g., Dr. James Dobson, Tony Evans, Franklin Graham, etc.).

So please don’t think that all Evangelical Protestants are turning against Pres. Trump. It’s just not so.

Here’s a link to that letter signed by 200 prominent Evangelical Protestant leaders:

www.christianpost.com

Nearly 200 evangelical leaders slam Christianity Today for questioning their Christian witness

In a letter sent to Timothy Dalrymple, the president of Christianity Today, nearly 200 evangelical faith leaders condemned both its editorial calling for the removal of President Donald Trump from
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