Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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The “holocaust” was a term used after World War II. How would anyone who voted the Nazis in in 1933 for whatever reason know anything about the holocaust? 🤷
Good point, but do a “what if.”

What if Germans knew Hitler would create the Holocaust…would they still have voted for him and would it have been moral to do so?

Now, apply that to our culture. We know with 100% certainty that the Democrats will continue the attack on the unborn, we are without the excuse of not knowing–we simply will not be able to claim ignorance, we know babies are dying every single day while we go about our lives and while half the people of this nation vote to keep the abortions going.
 
To drive home my point about abortion and the Democrats, just consider the situation in Indiana, in which that state has defunded Planned Parenthood in an effort to reduce abortions and to also not allow our tax dollars to go for abortions. Our Democratic President does not want that:

Not content that its friends at Planned Parenthood are losing out on taxpayer funds in Indiana, the Obama administration is considering challenging the law, which the state is already enforcing.​

lifenews.com/2011/05/23/obama-admin-may-target-indiana-law-de-funding-planned-parenthood/

That situation really shines a light on what I have been saying here. The party of abortion (the Democratic Party) will not even let PP be defunded under laws passed by a state. The left always fights strongly to keep the death mills open…

I just do not understand how any loving Christian can remain so blind to the plight of the unborn. I understand it can happen for some matter of time, yet in the face of the medical evidence and the face of obvious truths, it is just beyond me how so many people think abortion is fine. It sickens me beyond words. People rightly become upset and sickened with all sorts of terrible injustices done in this life…yet I suppose since the unborn is a “sight unseen,” they go unprotected.

Whatever happened to real men? Men who had at their core a desire to protect the most vunerable among us? How far we have fallen and continue to fall…😦

So, to tie all of this to the OP, I cannot fathom how abortion does not play a strong and central role in how every Christian person votes!
 
Not at all, Mary. The GOP didn’t put up the poll; Gilliam did, and my wrongful and careless accusation at his having forgotten to list our beloved President was not at all directed at the Grand Old Party. The fault was all mine and I acknowledged it. :).
My vote is for Herman Cain.
 
Good point, but do a “what if.”
I don’t like to deal in “what ifs.” What if I were a rich man, what if I were a woman, what if I were black, what if this was 1775…
What if Germans knew Hitler would create the Holocaust…would they still have voted for him and would it have been moral to do so?
I don’t know.
 
I don’t like to deal in “what ifs.” What if I were a rich man, what if I were a woman, what if I were black, what if this was 1775…

I don’t know.
Answering “what ifs” is something you do all the time, even if you do not realize that. What if I do not exercise today? What if I do exercise? What if I took road A instead of road B? What if I woke-up ten minutes later? What if I ate steak instead of chicken?

What if Obama is re-elected…without doubt you have asked that question, or you certainly will ask yourself that question.

So, you can indeed answer my what ifs, the fact that you refused says a lot. 🙂

You are also a a smart person and you know what my point is. You made a good point that Germans before the Holocaust did not know what was to come, so they cannot be rightly blamed for things they did not know ahead of time. However, we DO in fact know what abortion is and we do in fact know that there is ZERO chance that the Democrats will rid our nation of legal abortion…we do know, we cannot claim ignorance as could the Germans years before the Holocaust.

When people view our culture many decades from now, they will rightly be able to blame us for the horrors of abortion because they will rightly say we knew better.
 
I’m voting for any candidate who has a record of fearing God’s wrath, who knows how to spend less than the taxpayers are paying in, and who doesn’t have the last name Obama.
 
I don’t like to deal in “what ifs.” What if I were a rich man, what if I were a woman, what if I were black, what if this was 1775…

I don’t know.
I’ve asked myself, “What if I convinced Rich to vote Conservative in every election from here on out?”.
 
I find it interesting that the two candidates that are generally deemed most likely to get the GOP nomination - Romney and Pawlenty - are getting very few votes. I also find it interesting that the GOPer with the highest vote tally is a novelty candidate. Is there really that little enthusiasm for the mainstream GOP candidates?
 
…However, we DO in fact know what abortion is and we do in fact know that there is ZERO chance that the Democrats will rid our nation of legal abortion…we do know, we cannot claim ignorance as could the Germans years before the Holocaust…
I really think the Republicans only play lip service on the issue of Abortion. Nothing substantive can be done until Roe vs. Wade is overturned. Why wasn’t any move made to modify the U.S. Constitution during the first two years of George W. Bush’s presidency when they controlled the House and the Senate.
 
I really think the Republicans only play lip service on the issue of Abortion. Nothing substantive can be done until Roe vs. Wade is overturned. Why wasn’t any move made to modify the U.S. Constitution during the first two years of George W. Bush’s presidency when they controlled the House and the Senate.
Bush only had control for a few years and it was the thinnest of margins. Bush never had anywhere near a filibuster proof margin in the Senate–the Dems would easily have stopped any abortion reforms pushed. Beyond that, Bush did everything he could for life, the problem was the country did not give him a filibuster proof margin. Now, ironically Obama did get 60 votes in the Senate for a brief period…we all know what he did with that. Oh if only that majority could have been on the other side…

One thing in all this is 100% certain: voting for the Democrats just enshrines abortion further.
 
Good point, but do a “what if.”

What if Germans knew Hitler would create the Holocaust…would they still have voted for him and would it have been moral to do so?

Now, apply that to our culture. We know with 100% certainty that the Democrats will continue the attack on the unborn, we are without the excuse of not knowing–we simply will not be able to claim ignorance, we know babies are dying every single day while we go about our lives and while half the people of this nation vote to keep the abortions going.
There’s no point with dealing with “what ifs” because we don’t know the answer
 
Bush only had control for a few years and it was the thinnest of margins. Bush never had anywhere near a filibuster proof margin in the Senate–the Dems would easily have stopped any abortion reforms pushed. Beyond that, Bush did everything he could for life, the problem was the country did not give him a filibuster proof margin. Now, ironically Obama did get 60 votes in the Senate for a brief period…we all know what he did with that. Oh if only that majority could have been on the other side…

One thing in all this is 100% certain: voting for the Democrats just enshrines abortion further.
Well, if they get control of the Senate and Presidency in 2012, I would say go forward with a Constitutional Amendment and make then filibuster until they drop. Millions of lives are at stake.
 
PRO-LIFE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
  1. Appointed Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. The appointments resulted in the upholding of the federal partial-birth abortion ban by a 5-4 decision.
  2. Reinstituted the Mexico City Policy, begun by the Reagan Administration and reversed by the Clinton Administration (when Congress tried to reinstitute the policy, Clinton vetoed the bill), that bars foreign aid funding to groups that perform or advocate for abortions. In 2003, the Bush Administration expanded the Mexico City Policy to include not just funds dispensed by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), but also the State Department.
  3. Discouraged advancement of pro-abortion legislation by announcing early in his administration that he would veto legislation that threatened pro-life policy.
  4. Signed the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, which made it a federal crime not to treat babies who survive abortion.
  5. Signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban of 2003.
  6. Signed Unborn Victims of Violence Act, recognizing the unborn child as a separate crime victim if injured or killed during an assault.
  7. Cut off all federal funds to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) for its involvement in China’s one-child policy which includes forced abortion and sterilization. President Bush sent a fact-finding mission to China which found that the nation’s one-child policy was indeed coercive in nature and that the UNFPA was an integral part of implementing that policy, placing the UNFPA in clear violation of the Kemp-Kasten Amendment that prohibits any aid to any program that involves forced abortion or forced sterilization. Tens of millions of dollars that otherwise would have gone to the UNFPA were redirected to maternal and child health programs.
  8. Thwarted efforts at the United Nations to promote abortion by instructing U.S. delegates to state at every appropriate opportunity that America does not regard anything in any document before the U.N. to establish any international right to abortion.
  9. Issued Executive Order banning the use of new lines of embryonic stem cells in federally funded experiments. Later vetoed legislation passed by Congress to permit federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.
  10. Signed the Stem Cell Therapeutic and Research Act of 2005, which will fund research using umbilical cord and adult stem cells. The measure provides funding to increase the inventory of cord blood units available to match and treat patients and to link cord blood banks so that doctors have a single source to search for cord blood and bone marrow matches. It also reauthorizes the National Bone Marrow Registry.
  11. Launched public awareness of adoption campaign, working with the National Council for Adoption and pregnancy help centers across the country. The campaign sponsored conferences encouraging faith based communities to promote adoption and produced public service announcements featuring the First Lady urging the adoption of foster children.
  12. Established the first federal government and national website listing and showing children available for adoption across the country (www.AdoptUSKids.org).
  13. Increased the tax credit for adoption related expenses from $5,000 to $10,000; for special needs children, the credit was raised from $5,000 for qualified adoption related expenses to $10,000 for any adoption related expenses. This was done as part of the President’s tax relief bill.
  14. Annually declared Sanctity of Human Life Day.
  15. Issued a federal regulation allowing states to include unborn children in the federal/state S-CHIP program, which provides health insurance for children in poor families. This allowed states to include pre-natal care in the health insurance they offer to poor children under the program.
  16. The Bush Administration did what it could to stop assisted suicide from taking further hold in Oregon. The state of Oregon passed an assisted suicide law that allows doctors to prescribe federally controlled drugs in lethal amounts to certain of their patients who say they want to die. Federal law holds that federally controlled drugs may only be prescribed for legitimate medical purposes. During the Clinton Administration, Attorney General Janet Reno decreed that assisted suicide was a legitimate medical purpose in those states that permit it.
During the Bush Administration, Attorney General John Ashcroft changed that ruling, saying that assisted suicide was not a legitimate medical purpose, thereby barring doctors from prescribing lethal drugs. A lawsuit was filed and ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of allowing the drugs to be used for assisted suicide.
  1. Signed legislation making it possible for a federal court to hear whether Terri Schiavo’s constitutional rights had been violated by being denied hydration and nutrition.
  2. Dramatically increased funding for abstinence education through the Department of Health and Human Services, although Congress did not approve the full amount the Bush Administration requested.
priestsforlife.org/elections/consequences.htm
 
Well, if they get control of the Senate and Presidency in 2012, I would say go forward with a Constitutional Amendment and make then filibuster until they drop. Millions of lives are at stake.
Pray for a filibuster proof Senate.
 
PRO-LIFE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
  1. Appointed Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. The appointments resulted in the upholding of the federal partial-birth abortion ban by a 5-4 decision.
  2. Reinstituted the Mexico City Policy, begun by the Reagan Administration and reversed by the Clinton Administration (when Congress tried to reinstitute the policy, Clinton vetoed the bill), that bars foreign aid funding to groups that perform or advocate for abortions. In 2003, the Bush Administration expanded the Mexico City Policy to include not just funds dispensed by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), but also the State Department.
  3. Discouraged advancement of pro-abortion legislation by announcing early in his administration that he would veto legislation that threatened pro-life policy.
  4. Signed the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, which made it a federal crime not to treat babies who survive abortion.
  5. Signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban of 2003.
  6. Signed Unborn Victims of Violence Act, recognizing the unborn child as a separate crime victim if injured or killed during an assault.
  7. Cut off all federal funds to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) for its involvement in China’s one-child policy which includes forced abortion and sterilization. President Bush sent a fact-finding mission to China which found that the nation’s one-child policy was indeed coercive in nature and that the UNFPA was an integral part of implementing that policy, placing the UNFPA in clear violation of the Kemp-Kasten Amendment that prohibits any aid to any program that involves forced abortion or forced sterilization. Tens of millions of dollars that otherwise would have gone to the UNFPA were redirected to maternal and child health programs.
  8. Thwarted efforts at the United Nations to promote abortion by instructing U.S. delegates to state at every appropriate opportunity that America does not regard anything in any document before the U.N. to establish any international right to abortion.
  9. Issued Executive Order banning the use of new lines of embryonic stem cells in federally funded experiments. Later vetoed legislation passed by Congress to permit federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.
  10. Signed the Stem Cell Therapeutic and Research Act of 2005, which will fund research using umbilical cord and adult stem cells. The measure provides funding to increase the inventory of cord blood units available to match and treat patients and to link cord blood banks so that doctors have a single source to search for cord blood and bone marrow matches. It also reauthorizes the National Bone Marrow Registry.
  11. Launched public awareness of adoption campaign, working with the National Council for Adoption and pregnancy help centers across the country. The campaign sponsored conferences encouraging faith based communities to promote adoption and produced public service announcements featuring the First Lady urging the adoption of foster children.
  12. Established the first federal government and national website listing and showing children available for adoption across the country (www.AdoptUSKids.org).
  13. Increased the tax credit for adoption related expenses from $5,000 to $10,000; for special needs children, the credit was raised from $5,000 for qualified adoption related expenses to $10,000 for any adoption related expenses. This was done as part of the President’s tax relief bill.
  14. Annually declared Sanctity of Human Life Day.
  15. Issued a federal regulation allowing states to include unborn children in the federal/state S-CHIP program, which provides health insurance for children in poor families. This allowed states to include pre-natal care in the health insurance they offer to poor children under the program.
  16. The Bush Administration did what it could to stop assisted suicide from taking further hold in Oregon. The state of Oregon passed an assisted suicide law that allows doctors to prescribe federally controlled drugs in lethal amounts to certain of their patients who say they want to die. Federal law holds that federally controlled drugs may only be prescribed for legitimate medical purposes. During the Clinton Administration, Attorney General Janet Reno decreed that assisted suicide was a legitimate medical purpose in those states that permit it.
During the Bush Administration, Attorney General John Ashcroft changed that ruling, saying that assisted suicide was not a legitimate medical purpose, thereby barring doctors from prescribing lethal drugs. A lawsuit was filed and ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of allowing the drugs to be used for assisted suicide.
  1. Signed legislation making it possible for a federal court to hear whether Terri Schiavo’s constitutional rights had been violated by being denied hydration and nutrition.
  2. Dramatically increased funding for abstinence education through the Department of Health and Human Services, although Congress did not approve the full amount the Bush Administration requested.
priestsforlife.org/elections/consequences.htm
Responsible for the death of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s and American troops

To be pro-life is to be in favour of life, not just against abortion
 
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