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Scott_Lafrance
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When interest rates go to 18% and unemployment linger at around 10%, you could be Jesus and loose the Presidency. Or would you like to blame Carter’s problems on Ford?
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Scott_Lafrance
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At least Bush had tacit approval from Congress (ie.e he actually went to Congress and asked for authorization of force). What about Libya? Obama just signed on to a NATO mission and BOMBS AWAY before Congress even knew what was happening! There were more than a few Democrats on Capital Hill who were a bit put off by the callous disregard for Congress shown by the President to use military action.
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irishpatrick
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Well, if the Church ever formally declares that war unjust, then I will side with you on that. Yet, even if it does, that war does not compare to 50,000,000+ dead and counting and the Democrats have done nothing different there than the GOP planned to do. Converesly, the Church has made its position on abortion incredibly clear, while it leaves the decision of war up to each government’s leaders.
The Iraq war might prove to be a horrible and deadly and slaughtering mistake…yet it will be a mistake, not a personal choice to exterminate people like in abortion. Plus, one can think both ways, it does not have to be one or the other, one can morally say abortion is wrong AND that the Iraq war was wrong. Let us also not forget that the Bush admin really did believe that Iraq had wmd’s and that he was prepared to use them (he did not lie, despite the many statements from the left that he–he was wrong, but he did not lie about wmd’s).
Meanwhile, unborn babies continue to die through abortion–no chance to enter this life, no chance to know people, to love people, to love God…everything taken from them before they ever have a chance.
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Gift_from_God
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Now you’re making excuses. You said earlier that if you make promises, you can get elected four times. I only applied that logic to Carter, but how about we apply that logic to Ford, George H.W. Bush, Mondale, Kerry, Nixon (1960) McCain, Dewey. They all made promises, but did not get elected at all.
By the way, I do not blame Ford for Carter’s problems. Carter wasn’t ready to be President.
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Gift_from_God
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Hey, I agree with you. I find it despicable that Congress wasn’t consulted first about Libya. If anything, Obama has been pocket change and not change you can believe in
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Rohanfan
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Yes, I do think he has been successful up to a point. At the time the stimulus was implemented, the economy was shedding jobs by 700,000 per month. Right now, even on conservative models, we are adding jobs by about 150,000 per month. So that is a difference of 850,000 jobs turn around. The financial sector was the catalyst in the reason why alot of companies letting people go. Bush and Paulson got the First Bailout for them, then it hit GM and Chrysler. And then everything just crazier after that. Think about this for a moment. Say Bush does not bailout the financial industry and we do not bailout the car industry, where do you think this economy would be without it? We would still be sliding down the slope and we would be worse off then in 1929. At least, we are going back up the slope, albeit going slow. I know nobody wants to go slow but that is how it is working right now. The corporations were holding out on the sidelines for most of 2009 and some of 2010 over the worries of a difference in 3% in tax difference. My Dad was an Accountant and is retired and even he says that was a crock because the Corporations have all sorts of ways to hide their money and they should have been actually ramping up in 2010 and not waiting? for whether or not the tax extensions would happen.
Everybody talks about the unemployment rate, how it was 5% or something like it during Bush. It did jump alot the last few months of Bush’s presidency and now we have to get it down. The businesses need to get off the sidelines and ramp up. That is the only way we will get this economy going. Nobody is taking alot away from Business it just a bunch of hoeuy!!! All it is about is PROFIT MARGIN.
They do not care about this country or anybody here. Profit Margin, that is it.
I mean look at GE and The Big Oil companies. Huge Profits.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Cool. We agree on something. I figured if we kicked the bushes hard enough something would come skitting out.
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Gift_from_God
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Pope John Paul II denounced the War and it doe not match the criteria for just war. Murder is murder. One form of murder is not more evil than the other.
By the way, thinking that a guy has wmd’s is different from knowing it. Even if there were none found, the USA still stayed in Iraq
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Bohm_Bawerk
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That’s one big myth, believe me. A lot of economics graduates don’t understand economics at all. Most of them get to these good universities either because they come from very well-off families and/or are good at regurgitating answers for an exam. And simply because you’re good at regurgitating doesn’t make you any good at economics, does it? They are fed with the standard Keynesian school-of-thought and aren’t well-versed in varying economists’ opinions (e.g. Marxist, Austrian, Chicago, etc). Global investor Jim Rogers said Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke doesn’t understand economics. And I think he’s quite right - Bernanke only knows how to print money!
Jesus was born in a manger. Did that make Him any less the Son of God?
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Scott_Lafrance
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It was an accredited manger.
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Gift_from_God
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You bring up a good point. There are definitely incompetent people with degrees, and there are those who want to manipulate government into giving money to their rich buddies, but I digress. What is needed is a person who does have a good understanding o the economy and has a decent reputation.
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Rohanfan
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Actually, they were informed that he was going to do it. They left town and did not want to do anything. March 23, 2011, the UN Security Council vote was done and members from both sides decided not to touch it. They left town, and the President consulted with Congressional leaders and they gave their tacit approval at that time. They then went out afterwards and proceeded to scold him in public after he had consulted them.
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Scott_Lafrance
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All in the name of transparency.
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Beth_Cecilia
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Does anyone seriously believe that if we put (another, we’ve put them in before) republican in the white house that Roe v. Wade will be overturned? No? Then get down off your high horses and stop insisting that democrat means pro-abortion and republican means pro-life. It is beyond silly. If you believe that, then by all means be a single issue voter. For the rest of us, we have an obligation to look at more.
The “What if one party wanted to keep slavery and one party wanted to criminalize it” argument is not analogous, even if you buy the abortion/slavery analogy. It is more like, what if one party wanted to keep slavery available and the other party freed a few token slaves to keep their anti-slavery constituents happy? Obviously, those few freed men are no small issue, but reasonable people can (and obviously do) disagree about who to vote for in that election. Most people would insist on more information about both candidates.
If no one is going to eliminate abortion (by which I mean make it illegal, obviously no one can ever eliminate it entirely) than when I consider the issue of abortion, my question is who is going to lower abortion rates? Will they oppose restrictions? Will they support families in crisis? Fight poverty? Etc. These questions are bi-partisan. I am rarely satisfied by either party-line response. I hope for better ideas. And, thus, even if I choose abortion as my top issue, I cannot in good conscience be a single issue voter.
The “What if one party wanted to keep slavery and one party wanted to criminalize it” argument is not analogous, even if you buy the abortion/slavery analogy. It is more like, what if one party wanted to keep slavery available and the other party freed a few token slaves to keep their anti-slavery constituents happy? Obviously, those few freed men are no small issue, but reasonable people can (and obviously do) disagree about who to vote for in that election. Most people would insist on more information about both candidates.
If no one is going to eliminate abortion (by which I mean make it illegal, obviously no one can ever eliminate it entirely) than when I consider the issue of abortion, my question is who is going to lower abortion rates? Will they oppose restrictions? Will they support families in crisis? Fight poverty? Etc. These questions are bi-partisan. I am rarely satisfied by either party-line response. I hope for better ideas. And, thus, even if I choose abortion as my top issue, I cannot in good conscience be a single issue voter.
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Gift_from_God
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If it’s not on record, I don’t see how that could be considered valid.
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Whitacre_Girl
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I wonder if anyone voting in Nazi Germany elected Hitler because they refused to be “single issue voters” on the issue of the holocaust?
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Scott_Lafrance
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The Democrat Party does have abortion rights as one of the highlighted planks of their party platform. Explain away that one.
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Rich_Olszewski
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The “holocaust” was a term used after World War II. How would anyone who voted the Nazis in in 1933 for whatever reason know anything about the holocaust?I wonder if anyone voting in Nazi Germany elected Hitler because they refused to be “single issue voters” on the issue of the holocaust?
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irishpatrick
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Yes–I do. If we put a prolife person in the WH, and if the GOP has filibuster proof control of the Congress, then yes Roe V. Wade will be outa here.
BTW, of the two major parties, the GOP is the only party who works to at least reduce abortions through law. The Democrats literally always fight those efforts.
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irishpatrick
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Denouncing the war is not the same as making a formal proclamation from the official Church. What happened in Iraq is NOT murder, and the fact that you think it is says much. Murder is the willful, knowing killing of an innocent person. There was never a time when our nation (not under Bush or under Obama) did we make an attempt to kill innocent people–and if that is the litmus test, then WWII was an immoral war too.
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