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That is an unfair caricature of my post. If ten candidates are running for president, and two have a chance of winning, then it makes sense to look at the views of the two who actually have a chance of winning and choose the most pro-life candidate. That is, if you truly care about the issue of abortion and want to make a difference.
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I suppose that is what’s most important, Rich? That we, above all else, don’t do vote for the dreaded GOP?
Lyndon Larouche might be pro-life for all I know, but I wouln’t vote for him because he is a kook with no chance of winning. Same goes for all the other 3rd party candidates. Voting for 3rd party candidates is a wasted vote. Having said that, I encourage you to vote for Ralph Nader if he runs - he is the most authentic liberal that I think you’d be most comfortable with. He may be pro-abortion rights, but atleast he’s liberal which is what is most important? A vote for Nader is one less vote for the pro-infanticide rights Obama.
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Rich, that is a blatant strawman. Which poster said that if we vote for the GOP that abortion would be gone? Answer that question please.
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Rence, this isn’t about rights. Of course, a catholic has the right to vote for the pro-infanticide rights senator Barbara Boxer over the pro-life GOP candidate. But that catholic would be in violation of Catholic moral teaching as regards the sanctity of life.
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So Teddy Kennedy, Joe Biden and other liberal catholic democrats derailing the Bork nomination is “maintaining the status quo of Roe V Wade?” I am sick and tired of people posting about this issue who have no clue about the political history of the past twenty-five years.
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False. Read up gilliam, you’re better than that.
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The number of Abortions per year decreased under President Clinton and since then has been running fairly steady. There is no drastic difference in the number of Abortions based on whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House:
nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html
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Okay, thanks for pointing out that people do immoral, godless things. WHat does that have to do with anything?
We have spent trillions on the “War on Poverty” and the rate of poverty is exactly the same as it was when it started. In fact, now we have “poor people” walking around with cell phones, more square feet of living space (on average) than the typical middle class family in Europe, a car, and a flat screen TV.
We have spent billions on the “War on Drugs” and nothing there has changed either. In fact, the case could be made that things have gotten worse.
So, what other pointless, expensive federal government boondoggle do you all want to implement now? The point being, neither party really wants to end anything. They both are just looking for new and creative ways to waste taxpayer money to get themselves elected.
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The GOP is not anti-poor, they are anti-blanket entitlement.
It is not anti-immigration, it is anti-open borders.
It is not anti-climate, anti-environment, it is pro-stewardship and pro-market.
However! sometimes it is a little TOO pro-market, and pro-corporatist for my taste.
Just because they believe that there are market-based, faith-based means of caring for the downtrodden doesn’t mean they are “anti-poor”. that is an ignorant and fallacious idea spread by pro-Democrat ideologues. Learn to think for yourself.
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For a Catholic forum, I’m shocked! Obama is in the lead in this poll. The most pro abortion president in history who supports late term. I’m shocked! Almost 99% of Catholics here where I live in Texas ARE anti abortion. It just proves politics DO trump religion many times! It is politics don’t deny it!
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Read the signature line that EstesBob had been putting on his posts. “Abortion will remain legal in this country until Catholic Democrats come to love the unborn more than they hate the GOP.” The implication, as I understand it, is that a vote for the “party of life” is the first step towards the abolition of abortion.
If I misunderstood what Bob meant, then I’m certain he’ll make it clear.
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The implication is a Catholic Csn not support abortion.
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I would say it is not Catholic Democrats, but it is rather Democrat Catholics
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I’m proud that the administration took on health care reform, and all though Republicans turned out to be quite a huge hurdle, we were able to get something passed.
As a Catholic, can anyone point to something within this administration that I could be proud of?
Can’t be denied base on pre-existing conditions now. Also, allowing children to remain covered by their parents’ insurance until the age of 26
I’m happy about the unemployment benefits being extended. Although they did not cause this economic recession, the middle and lower classes are the ones being punished for it.
I’m happy that Obama has fought the Tea Party in their unholy war on the poor and needy.
Signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which provides health care to 11 million kids – 4 million of whom were previously uninsured
Signed New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty)
I’m hopeful about the DREAM Act Legislation.
Met with the Pope!
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Religion + Politics = Politics
It’s time to move on from the old politics of the Religious Right.
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THey didn’t do anything to improve health care ot health care delivery. They gave a gift the the insurance companies and to their union buddies while screwing the rest of the population, while at the same time screwing the people who want to short sell their homes AND screwing the people who want to borrow money for college.I’m proud that the administration took on health care reform, and all though Republicans turned out to be quite a huge hurdle, we were able to get something passed.
Can’t be denied base on pre-existing conditions now. Also, allowing children to remain covered by their parents’ insurance until the age of 26
I’m happy about the unemployment benefits being extended. Although they did not cause this economic recession, the middle and lower classes are the ones being punished for it.
I’m happy that Obama has fought the Tea Party in their unholy war on the poor and needy.
Signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which provides health care to 11 million kids – 4 million of whom were previously uninsured
Signed New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty)
I’m hopeful about the DREAM Act Legislation.
Met with the Pope!
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What, into the new politics of religious Marxism? No thanks.
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I’m not shocked. First of all, the President is not going to change the laws about abortion. Perhaps if more people thought that voting in a President who is anti-abortion would actually do something about abortion, more people who are staunchly pro-life would vote for a pro-life president. Bush was pro-life and he didn’t accomplish much in his time in the Office.
Not only that, while recent polls showed that the majority of Americans are against abortion, the majority is not in favor of making abortion illegal due to many factors. Some of these factors include the push for strict bans (like in the case of rape, incest and when the woman’s life is in danger), which make people (prolife or not) very uncomfortable. In addition, those involved in pro-life debates know that there is a push to include contraceptives in the ban (including plan B in the emergency rooms after rapes)…and that makes many people even more nervous. And I’m sorry, but I don’t know anyone in real life (in other words, outside of Catholic online forums) that are that pro-life, and I don’t know anyone in real life who is in favor of these limitations and limits on accessiblity.
When one weighs all the other social concerns out there, it’s clear that many people aren’t going to consider abortion as the deal breaker. It’s important. But so are other issues. That much is obvious, or Obama wouldn’t have won.
The things people are going to consider most are issues that will directly affect them or those they know, before they consider abortion. They have to take all the factors and weigh them and then vote in accordance to the whole picture. Believe it or not, there are some folks that think making abortions illegal will only make matters worse, not better.
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A pro-life president with a pro-life congress could do a lot to stem the culture of death.
To start with the federal funding of Planned Parenthood would stop
The federal funding of places which provide abortions could stop
The federal funding of stem cell research from aborted babies could stop
The federal funding of schools that teach abortion is a reasonable alternative could stop
and we could go on and on
Without going into what a particular president did or didn’t do, the idea that to elect a pro-life president would be useless is simply not correct.
To start with the federal funding of Planned Parenthood would stop
The federal funding of places which provide abortions could stop
The federal funding of stem cell research from aborted babies could stop
The federal funding of schools that teach abortion is a reasonable alternative could stop
and we could go on and on
Without going into what a particular president did or didn’t do, the idea that to elect a pro-life president would be useless is simply not correct.
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