Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

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RebeccaJ said:
Moderation whyme. All things in moderation.

This is a “mormonism”, ie, anyone who has any amount of alcohol, even that first drink, is an alcoholic. You need to get over this. Millions of people drink alcohol who are not alcoholics.
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No, it is not a “mormonism.” It is fact. The surest way to prevent alcoholism is to never drink. This is advice that is given to everybody, Mormon or not, who has a history of alcoholism in the family: studies have shown that susceptibility to alcoholism may be genetic. That is, if your biological father, mother or grandparents were alcoholic, the odds that you will be go up, a lot. The risk is even higher if your alcoholic biological parent actually raises you.

The statement is, in fact, an 'AA-ism."

To imply that a statement of fact about alcoholics having to take a ‘first drink’ means that everybody who drinks is an alcoholic is abysmal logic, Rebecca.
 
RebeccaJ said:
whyme, the point was made that Lent and the WoW are similar. They aren’t. Obviously, “Catholics do it”. Do you find Lent a bother? Lutherans, Methodists and Anglicans do “bother” with Lent.
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No, Rebecca, I did NOT say that Lent and the Word of Wisdom were similar to each other.

What is similar is the fact that Catholics, in observing Lent, make certain promises in order to observe it–to either abstain from something, or as you pointed out, to do something extra.

This thing you promise to give up is not sinful at any other time, nor would it be sinful if you did not identify it as something you promise not to do. The extra thing you promise to do–it is not a sin to NOT to it at any other time, or to not do it if you hadn’t identified it, and made that promise to yourself and to God to do it at this time, during Lent.

There is no sin in others doing, or not doing, things you promise to do or not do; the promise is yours, not theirs.

THAT is what is similar; the promise. That is how the Word of Wisdom works for us. The WoW, the entire thing, is health advice, and pretty darned good health advice. However, WE chose parts of it and made abstaining from those things a promise; a covenant between us and God.

It doesn’t matter WHAT we chose. It only matters THAT we chose it, and having made that promise, that we keep it.
 
dianaiad said:
To imply that a statement of fact about alcoholics having to take a ‘first drink’ means that everybody who drinks is an alcoholic is abysmal logic, Rebecca.
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Yeah, tell it to your church and its members. That is where I hear it.
 
why_me said:
Actually I never understood lent. I saw it as abstaining from what is enjoyed and then after lent go back to the old habit. For example, there are catholics who abstain from gambling and cigarettes. But then after lent, it is casino and smoke time. I just don’t buy it all.
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I understand it. Lent, for Catholics, is a very special time of remembrance (though I don’t know everything about how it is celebrated.) Giving up something that one enjoys the rest of the year as part of that celebration/remembrance makes sense to me.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Yeah, tell it to your church and its members. That is where I hear it.
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Rebecca, you have been rebelling against the church since you were sixteen, and left it as soon as you could. You really have no idea where you heard anything like that.

I have never heard this statement at church, or from Mormons. WE say 'don’t drink alcohol."

It is said, however, at AA meetings. Whether you like that or not.
 
dianaiad said:
However, if you aren’t Mormon, and haven’t promised to abstain, enjoy.
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I do, thanks. Just back from Oregon wine country, just fantastic.
here’s a question for you: until a couple of decades or so ago eating meat on Friday was considered a sin for Catholics. That changed.
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No it hasn’t. I don’t eat meat on Fridays. The DH has bbq’d me up some fish all summer.
Obviously there was nothing wrong with eating meat; you ate it on the other days of the week, and you may eat it every day of the week now. So–the sin wasn’t in the eating of the meat, was it?
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There is a reason I don’t eat fish on Friday. It’s not because of a promise. It’s because I remember every Friday the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Never once have I said to God, “I promise to not eat red meat on Friday.”. It’s more of a relationship based on love and doing things for those you love. Jesus Sacrificed for me, and I do for Him.

Can. 1249 The divine law binds all the Christian faithful to do penance each in his or her own way. In order for all to be united among themselves by some common observance of penance, however, penitential days are prescribed on which the Christian faithful devote themselves in a special way to prayer, perform works of piety and charity, and deny themselves by fulfilling their own obligations more faithfully and especially by observing fast and abstinence, according to the norm of the following canons.
Can. 1250 The penitential days and times in the universal Church are every Friday of the whole year and the season of Lent.
Can. 1251 Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
 
dianaiad said:
Rebecca, you have been rebelling against the church since you were sixteen, and left it as soon as you could. You really have no idea where you heard anything like that.

I have never heard this statement at church, or from Mormons. WE say 'don’t drink alcohol."

It is said, however, at AA meetings. Whether you like that or not.
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I’m not rebelling. lol. Stating a fact of life in the land of Zion, not what I hear at your church. Which, would be nothing, since I don’t go there. Mormons here have a general fear of anything alcohol related. Billboards. Bottles. They’re scared.

You are doing it here. Yes, in AA, people need to stop drinking alcohol, period. If I have a glass of wine in the evening, I’m not at AA, nor am I an alcoholic.
 
RebeccaJ said:
You didn’t choose it, JS did. But whatever. Knock yourself out with rootbeer. 😃
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Uh, no, actually, Joseph Smith did NOT choose it. He had the revelation about the Word of Wisdom, but it was health advice, not something required. The promise to abstain from coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco came about with Brigham Young, and it was, in fact, part of his genius at organizing and revitalizing the saints during and after the trek west. At the General conference held in 1851, Brigham Young proposed to the church as a whole that all Mormons formally covenant to abstain from tea, coffee, tobacco and whiskey.

That was wholeheartedly approved by the church population as a whole. there was some debate as to whether beer should be included in this prohibition, since it was made from grain and was mild, but eventually beer was also included in the prohibition. It was not made a requirement for a Temple recommend until 1902.

I think that if you are going to criticize something, you really should be more informed as to the timeline, reasons, and exactly what happened, don’t you?
 
why_me said:
That is what I like…two faiths getting along with each other. No bible bashing or doctrine bashing. But attempting to work together for the good of the community.
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Yes, I know, you are all about the kumbaya.
 
RebeccaJ said:
I do, thanks. Just back from Oregon wine country, just fantastic.

No it hasn’t. I don’t eat meat on Fridays. The DH has bbq’d me up some fish all summer.

There is a reason I don’t eat fish on Friday. It’s not because of a promise. It’s because I remember every Friday the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Never once have I said to God, “I promise to not eat red meat on Friday.”. It’s more of a relationship based on love and doing things for those you love. Jesus Sacrificed for me, and I do for Him.

Can. 1249 The divine law binds all the Christian faithful to do penance each in his or her own way. In order for all to be united among themselves by some common observance of penance, however, penitential days are prescribed on which the Christian faithful devote themselves in a special way to prayer, perform works of piety and charity, and deny themselves by fulfilling their own obligations more faithfully and especially by observing fast and abstinence, according to the norm of the following canons.
Can. 1250 The penitential days and times in the universal Church are every Friday of the whole year and the season of Lent.
Can. 1251 Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
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So, it is an internal covenant that you made with yourself, and with God, as a remembrance of Christ’s suffering. Fine.
 
dianaiad said:
I think that if you are going to criticize something, you really should be more informed as to the timeline, reasons, and exactly what happened, don’t you?
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I’m not criticizing Diana. knock yourself out. When my mormon friends/family come over, I have soda for them, which, I normally don’t have around the house.
 
RebeccaJ said:
I’m not rebelling. lol. Stating a fact of life in the land of Zion, not what I hear at your church. Which, would be nothing, since I don’t go there. Mormons here have a general fear of anything alcohol related. Billboards. Bottles. They’re scared.

You are doing it here. Yes, in AA, people need to stop drinking alcohol, period. If I have a glass of wine in the evening, I’m not at AA, nor am I an alcoholic.
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Good for you.

That’s not the point, though, is it?
 
dianaiad said:
So, it is an internal covenant that you made with yourself, and with God, as a remembrance of Christ’s suffering. Fine.
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Internal action, I would say. An encounter, to be more precise. But if you need to see it this way, fine.
 
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